Post by asharadaynedragonblood on Jul 9, 2020 13:41:46 GMT
I wonder why not mamy fans ever noticed that Aerys and Rhaegar only had 1/3 Targaryen genetics/blood.
I would include the Targaryen family tree picture here but in the mobile version it is not possible. See the generations back. It is Martell + T. Then we have Dayne + T. And their son Aegon married a Blackwood. Three different bloodlines married into the Targaryen blood. After Dyanna Dayne the dragonhatching seemed again possible. As far as I remember they wanted to continue the marriages with other Houses but then intermarried in incest. Thus said: Rhaegar has more Martell/Dayne/Blackwood than Targaryen blood. That might be interesting because I tend to think the parentage is all about genetics and "magic" bloodlines.
asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/131027-how-ice-became-dawn/#comments this might be interesting for this thread, as though old, i still find it relevant, as for jons parentage then lets not forget that if mr. martin wants a son of ice and fire, the he'd have two pairs of starks and targs of differing genders together at the approximate time of jon being conceived. the oft talked about Rhaegar and Lyanna, but also Brandon and Rhaella, I fond it curious that Mr. Martin said specifically that there where 8-9 months between Jon and Dany being birthed. I havent looked closer on it, due to my other pet theory of Eddard and lysa, rsulting in jon, I could weave an in my opinion rather convincing chain of evidence for that as well, but I'll talk about that later. as for Eddard claiming jon as his own, if he was Brandons, then some people could easily use Jon as a figurehead, to topple the Starks, remember, the eldest son of the eldest son inherits, even if the grandchild of the old lord, is not born before the eldest child's death, or even if the lords eldest child dies, with a child of their own then that child inherits before the old lords younger son. That might have gotten a bit confusing but i think it got the point across
I wonder why not mamy fans ever noticed that Aerys and Rhaegar only had 1/3 Targaryen genetics/blood.
I would include the Targaryen family tree picture here but in the mobile version it is not possible. See the generations back. It is Martell + T. Then we have Dayne + T. And their son Aegon married a Blackwood. Three different bloodlines married into the Targaryen blood. After Dyanna Dayne the dragonhatching seemed again possible. As far as I remember they wanted to continue the marriages with other Houses but then intermarried in incest. Thus said: Rhaegar has more Martell/Dayne/Blackwood than Targaryen blood. That might be interesting because I tend to think the parentage is all about genetics and "magic" bloodlines.
I remember that you posted a theory in the Amino about Aenys being the bastard son of Queen Rhaenys and that his father could be a Dayne or Martell.
I wonder why not mamy fans ever noticed that Aerys and Rhaegar only had 1/3 Targaryen genetics/blood.
I would include the Targaryen family tree picture here but in the mobile version it is not possible. See the generations back. It is Martell + T. Then we have Dayne + T. And their son Aegon married a Blackwood. Three different bloodlines married into the Targaryen blood. After Dyanna Dayne the dragonhatching seemed again possible. As far as I remember they wanted to continue the marriages with other Houses but then intermarried in incest. Thus said: Rhaegar has more Martell/Dayne/Blackwood than Targaryen blood. That might be interesting because I tend to think the parentage is all about genetics and "magic" bloodlines.
I have found the notion of a pure bloodline to be 'interesting'. Even to say that we know the percentage of dilution is to assume 'purity' existed at the beginning of those family trees. But 'purity' has to be defined. Purity has to be based on some standard. Most likely, purity is based on descent from some couple or some defined family group at a particular point in time--if you are descended solely from individuals in the defined set, your blood is pure. Purity can also be based on characteristics; if you have this set of characteristics and/or if you do not have certain other characteristics, then you are considered pure. Viserys, I think, assumes that purity is used in the first sense. But, as you point out, this doesn't make sense. Once any other blood enters the Targ line, then 'purity' in that sense, is over. Now, it is possible that purity is based on Varyrian descent or something that could include other families, but it seems highly unlikely that those family lines have remained pure Valyrian (or whatever the marker set it). If someone is seeking Targ purity, I think it is more likely that they are breeding for charactaristics. Purity would be defined in terms of keeping the wrong characteristics out of the bloodline. Sibling pairing could be for the purpose of waiting for the availability a another opportunity for pairing with desirable lines or waiting for recessive characteristics to be expressed. I am inclined to agree with you that we are seeing the effects of attempts to breed for certain magical characteristics. Dragon riding seems to be one of those, and maybe dragon hatching. This leaves the question why Viserys decided to sell Dany to Drogo. Yes, Vis is vain and cruel and would love the idea of a cruel army riding for him to conquer Westeros. But Dany's thoughts tell us that Vis was obsessed with Targ purity. His destiny wasn't just to rule Westeros; it was to return the Targ dynasty. If Dany is wed to Drogo, was Vis giving up on a Targ dynasty? Or maybe he can to understand a more nuanced view of purity and was now expecting a Martell wife?
This leaves the question why Viserys decided to sell Dany to Drogo. Yes, Vis is vain and cruel and would love the idea of a cruel army riding for him to conquer Westeros. But Dany's thoughts tell us that Vis was obsessed with Targ purity. His destiny wasn't just to rule Westeros; it was to return the Targ dynasty. If Dany is wed to Drogo, was Vis giving up on a Targ dynasty? Or maybe he can to understand a more nuanced view of purity and was now expecting a Martell wife?
I have speculated that Viserys meant to give Dany to Drogo to gain an army, and after that army had taken back the Seven Kingdoms, then Viserys would have thought he could have Drogo killed and taken Dany back for himself. Any children that Dany could have born to Drogo could have also been swept out of the way, either given back to the Dothraki, or just terminated. I don't know why Viserys would have thought that Dany would tolerate the murder of her children, but we see he is is certainly not afraid to threaten her pregnancy. It is was actively leads to his death by molten gold crown.
Last Edit: Sept 6, 2020 13:34:29 GMT by stdaga: spelling, yikes!
Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.
This leaves the question why Viserys decided to sell Dany to Drogo. Yes, Vis is vain and cruel and would love the idea of a cruel army riding for him to conquer Westeros. But Dany's thoughts tell us that Vis was obsessed with Targ purity. His destiny wasn't just to rule Westeros; it was to return the Targ dynasty. If Dany is wed to Drogo, was Vis giving up on a Targ dynasty? Or maybe he can to understand a more nuanced view of purity and was now expecting a Martell wife?
I have speculated that Viserys meant to give Dany to Drogo to gain an army, and after that army had taken back the Seven Kingdoms, then Viserys would have thought he could have Drogo killed and taken Dany back for himself. Any children that Dany could have born to Drogo could have also been swept out of the way, either given back to the Dothraki, or just terminated. I don't know why Viserys would have thought that Dany would tolerate the murder of her children, but we see he is is certainly not afraid to threaten her pregnancy. It is was actively leads to his death by molten gold crown.
One thing this idea doesn't account for is Illyrio's declaration that he expected Dany to not survive her time with the Dothraki, but there is no reason that Illyrio and Viserys would have had the same expectations from the deal with the Dothraki, I guess.
Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.