Post by SlyWren on Mar 16, 2016 3:49:51 GMT
I agree on this point. Lysa wasn't supposed to die for some time but then she started confessing. Baelish can't have that getting out, so Lysa goes out the Moon Door.
Yes--it seems impulsive. Though it also seems like he relished it. Rather too much.
It weirdly might put him out on a limb, though. Sansa has leverage if she can figure out how to use it. And now Robin likes her best of all. Which weirdly gives her leverage.
Fanfic authors here typically write Sansa as Catelyn reborn, while missing that in a lot of ways one could argue she's got a whole heck of a lot of Ned in her personality--probably moreso than her mother. Sure, Sansa has adopted the social pressures of the South that Catelyn has instilled in her, but at the same time there's a lot of Ned in her that especially comes to light in the later books.
Agreed--In the Vale, she's taken Ned's place and Lyanna's place (coming south to initially marry a Baratheon). With brown hair, she's been "Starked" in appearance as well. Like Ned, her attachment to the old gods was far less intense. He understanding of the ties to the old ways and the North--like Ned, she seems to be relearning those things. Oddly, in the place (Vale) where he likely unlearned some of them. Sansa's thinking of the goshood there. She thinks (in the Winds chapter) of how the practice yard sounds like Winterfell's practice yard.
Baelish may have intended to collect Cat's daughter. But he forgot that Cat rejected him. And can't see that Sansa does have Nedly qualities. She's a wolf, after all.
Yup, I find amusing how everyone delights at the prospect of Petyr effectively "corrupting" Sansa into a Machiavellian femme fatale. Thats cheapening the inner growth of one of the most morally strong characters in the whole series. I don't know why they see Arya as the most morally good of the two sisters when she is alongside Catelyn the only "living" Stark near the gray moral zone and rush to label Sansa as a naive turned cynical and disloyal when she isn't really naive. She is an idealist and compassionate, like Ned.
That "life isn't like in songs" quote she is constantly told bears a lot of truth, but the ones who say that (Cersei, Petyr and Sandor) aren't exactly the most adequate persons to give Sansa lessons about reality, considering that the three of them are quite delusional when it suits their personal motives; especially Cersei, Sandor is quite less delusional. But ey, they're right. Being kind and generous is a ludicrous thought, trying to shoehorn the daughter of your childhood friend into your imaginary concept of a lover just because she has her same hair colour, however, isn't being self-deluded. Right, Petyr?
Okay--so, I'm agreeing with all of this. Any chance Shitmouth wants to come play on the Hearth?
In my "One True Knight" thread, I argued that Sansa, like Bran and Ned, believes in the ideal of the True Knight. Her disillusion of the Kingsguard isn't that there are no true knights, but that "they" are no true knights. Like Ned believes Arthur was the finest knight of all. And Bran idealizes them, too. Starks, not part of the Seven or the system of knights, believe in the ideals of knights. Like Symeon Star Eyes (lived long before knights) and Florian the Fool (lived long before knights) and Serwyn of the Mirror Shiled (lived long before knights).
Seems like the ideals matter. Sansa's idealism, like so many Starks in the story, sustains her. And, given the stories of the heroes, seem like idealism is NEEDED in the upcoming war.
I always thought that one revealing point in the dynamic was that Petyr always lusted for Sansa, seeing her as a surrogate for her mother, just because she is a lady and has the same eye and hair colours while completely ignoring the younger daughter who's more akin to her cause he sees her as another Ned. This for me has always been the big hint which proves the truth of that "littlefinger loves littlefinger" quote, that his obsession over Catelyn was merely self centerd, thats it; to satiate his ego, he wanted her cause she was beautiful and out of his reach. For starters, if he really loved Catelyn he wouldn't lust after one of her daughters and spread rumours about her, but if he really knew Catelyn, he wouldn't agitate things like he does in the books.
I'm liking this, too. Baelish is hoarding all of the things he was denied as a child. Without understanding them.
It is not only poetic justice that he is going to fall because of Sansa, it's poetic because he is going to fall because he is going to discover that he's been trying to corrupt and deceive a girl that deep down is like the man he despised and betrayed, all the while showing all of his cards to her.
I very much hope this is the case.
Though I suppose Martin could have her marry Aegon and be queen. And I will and and then deal with it.