The oldest vision when the white haired woman killed the man with the bronze sickle? I always figured they were making sacrifices to the Old Gods. They did tend to like human sacrifice back in the day.
Darkstar will be the next Vulture King.
Craster has 19 daughters and there are 19 castles on the Wall, coincidence I think not!
The oldest vision when the white haired woman killed the man with the bronze sickle? I always figured they were making sacrifices to the Old Gods. They did tend to like human sacrifice back in the day.
Exactly, but it could have meant something else given these reports.
ADWD has a similar scene that Bran sees but doesn't have any context to process.
Indeed. Which seems like it might have been the "set up" for the kind of revelation the show gives. And, given that the horror of that moment in the books is not lost on Bran, makes me think that
the horror of the Others' creation won't be hidden from him, either. Like the children are confessing what they did.
It's all very Frankenstein's monster-ish. Or Oppenheimer's deadly toy-ish. And would thread the needle between why the cave and everything else seem so creepy and yet the children aren't "evil"--they had good reason to do as they did and are now trying to help undo the consequence.
It would even fit with voice 's theory re: the broken "ward" when Ned kills Arthur--voice --I tagged you because it fits your theory. But I completely understand if you don't want to read the spoilers before the show.
If the children and the humans figured out a way to shut down winter and either kill the Others or force them to hibernate, the guardian of the North (Starks) and of the south (Daynes) would be in place to keep things safe. But when Ned and Arthur fought and the Stark in Winterfell killed the Sword of the Morning, the blue eyes of death woke again.
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
and his being the next Symeon Star Eyes. I think we may be seeing Symeon Star Eyes being made--blinded and then sapphires put into his eyes.
My interp might still work since the story says Symeon was "blinded," not "killed." And says that Symeon put the sapphires in himself. But still. . . We see how blue eyed dragons are created.
The other thing that strikes me is the potential confirmation of the parallel between the Others and the dragons;
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
Looked like a weirwood surrounded by obsidian to me
I think it'd be neat if the Stonehenge thing was made of the same black stone that was used for the Seastone Chair, the Toad idol, Yeen, the stone the Bloodstone Emperor worshiped, etc. Seems pretty unlikely, though, since the black stones aren't a "thing" in the show, and they're barely even a thing in the books.
Ah! I hate you all! I can't decide if I want to read this stuff or not. And you all know I have no willpower. I have read the potential leaks up until the Nordic leaks today, so I might already be spoiled, but am reluctant to confirm it. What to do....
Why must I always be the isle of crazy alone in an ocean of sensibility? The should to everybody else’s shouldn’t? The I-will to their better-nots?
Ah! I hate you all! I can't decide if I want to read this stuff or not. And you all know I have no willpower. I have read the potential leaks up until the Nordic leaks today, so I might already be spoiled, but am reluctant to confirm it. What to do....
It will all be on soon.
Darkstar will be the next Vulture King.
Craster has 19 daughters and there are 19 castles on the Wall, coincidence I think not!
I think it'd be neat if the Stonehenge thing was made of the same black stone that was used for the Seastone Chair, the Toad idol, Yeen, the stone the Bloodstone Emperor worshiped, etc. Seems pretty unlikely, though, since the black stones aren't a "thing" in the show, and they're barely even a thing in the books.
Yup! And might explain why the show seems to connect the white walkers and the dragons in season 1: the circle the Rangers find at the start of episode 1 and Dany's dragon-birthing circle at the end of episode 10.
If the children and the bloodstone emperor ended up using the same magical stone, and if both required blood sacrifice, would make the Others and the dragons both the nuclear weapons of the stories.
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
Ah! I hate you all! I can't decide if I want to read this stuff or not. And you all know I have no willpower. I have read the potential leaks up until the Nordic leaks today, so I might already be spoiled, but am reluctant to confirm it. What to do....
The leaked episode seems completely legit unless someone has an amazing skill set with faking the screen caps.
And the episode looks very intense. So, if you like intense surprises, don't read. If you want to be prepared for the intensity, then read.
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
I think it'd be neat if the Stonehenge thing was made of the same black stone that was used for the Seastone Chair, the Toad idol, Yeen, the stone the Bloodstone Emperor worshiped, etc. Seems pretty unlikely, though, since the black stones aren't a "thing" in the show, and they're barely even a thing in the books.
I'd like for those oily black stones to also be obsidian.
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
I think the miasma might be a thing. If the children made the walkers and are now trying to help Bran stop what they did, it means at some point the humans and the children worked together to shut this down. And that agreement got broken.
So, something they did to join the earth and the children and the humans calmed it all down. Something. . . natural and magical.
Which has elements of the miasma theory, no?
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
I think the miasma might be a thing. If the children made the walkers and are now trying to help Bran stop what they did, it means at some point the humans and the children worked together to shut this down. And that agreement got broken.
So, something they did to join the earth and the children and the humans calmed it all down. Something. . . natural and magical.
Which has elements of the miasma theory, no?
Tis broad enough to be so, but I don't mind being wrong.
The cotf seem oddly immune if this truly is a miasma they helped create. We've oft suspected them of being the tree-protectors that created the Others over the years in Heresy, but I truly believed GRRM would lay the origin at the hands of man. This is very surprising.
I can cling to hope that the books will be different, or that this is something Othery, while not their ultimate cause, but I am totally willing to be wrong. The dynamics of the miasma work all the same, but they are universally caused by the failings of man.
Still, the imagery looks simply amazing. If Arthur's death paved the way for their return, I can hang my hat on that one. But hanging my hat has never been my goal. I just like the discussion, and this will definitely create more of it.
I can also hold out hope that NK is BtB, and that the Others were waiting around for 8000 years instead of being recreated throughout that time or all of a sudden just before Will's prologue.
And, I can rejoice that the man in that screen cap looks NOTHING like Craster. LOL
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."