I quit searching for the spoiler links because I kept spoiling myself. I think that a lot of the ones I saw were on the Freefolk sub Reddit. Some have been more correct than others. I haven't checked over there lately though.
I've enjoyed knowing a little about what to expect from the books before watching the show. So without WoW we're kind of Unsullied this season (and I kind of liked it).
I did that the whole season and I did like it. But I accidentally read an account about the next episode and now I literally am dying to know!
ETA: I checked some leaks, what I wrote before was BS, so I deleted it. Just forget all I said!
So what are the chances that ShowFinger has figured out R+L=J? I have read several people speculate that he will be the one to tell Jon in the same episode Bran sees via the Weirnet.
Darkstar will be the next Vulture King.
Craster has 19 daughters and there are 19 castles on the Wall, coincidence I think not!
So what are the chances that ShowFinger has figured out R+L=J? I have read several people speculate that he will be the one to tell Jon in the same episode Bran sees via the Weirnet.
I'm basing it solely on his conversation with Sansa in the crypts and his smirk. He likes people being indebted to him so I think that IF he does know he will tell Jon. I was thinking the other day that that might even be his goal, to crown Jon and Sansa gave him a way to do it plus nurse his creepy infatuation with Cat.
The blade was Valyrian steel, spell-forged and dark as smoke. Nothing held an edge like Valyrian steel.
Looks like the trials will start. I wonder if Cersei will light the wildfyre before hers since she knows she'll be found guilty. Or if Qyburn is on standby to give the order when the verdict comes in. Do we ever get a good explanation as to why he's her lap dog?
A lot of the spoilers point in this direction. Though, given the photos that were released, it looks like Kevan is in the sept and thus unlikely to be killed by any little birds. More likely to be burned.
Though I'm also thinking that Qyburn will run the little bird killing spree since they took the time to set him up as their leader. So, I'm thinking they will still kill Pycelle.
Davos is fn pissed! The question is, what will Jon do?
I'm thinking he might kick Mel out. His convo with her before the battle last week established his view of her god. Once he hears that she killed that little girl for her god--I'm not sure he'll execute her, but I could see him banishing her. And, given her fanaticism, that would be a horrible fate in her own mind.
But he executed Olly. So. . . he might execute Mel. Which would be horrifying for him. And sort of full circle. And a twist on his inability to kill Ygritte.
I am sure you know where I am going with this... In a SHOCKING turn of events, we will learn that Shireen was sacrificed for Jon's resurrection. Lord of Light was right and Mel did everything right. Screw Davos with his fickleness and of course he will not get any justice from Jon, because what is Jon going to do? And Jon will have a new reason for hating his life
On the bolded--HA! Whether they make it that Shireen's death brought about Jon's life or not, I'm thinking Jon will be hating his life pretty heavily anyway at news of Shireen's murder.
I'm struggling to see how the show would establish that Shireen's death paid for Jon's life in actual "fact." Mel might think it does. But the show had things like Bran waking just as Ned killed Lady to show that connection. They've waited a year here. . . they might try to show it, but I'm having trouble seeing how it would really work.
Bran is back. If he makes it through the Wall, the Others will be able to cross. Surely Benjen and Bran know that. I'd like to see the look on Edds face when Benjen shows up at CB.
Given what's coming in King's Landing, I wouldn't be surprised if they left the Wall arrival for next season. But yes, Benjen's ranger report to Edd should be. . . interesting.
On the Night's King crossing the Wall via his mark on Bran . . sigh. It would be simple and thus easy to show. But I don't like it. And I will now stop whining.
At some point Dany needs to realize she needs 2 other dragon riders. I like to think she and Tyrion are standing together in front of the 3 dragons discussing it when Viscerion and Tyrion make eye contact and a bond is made. He also needs to find some saddlers.
They mad all three dragons work in tandem with Dany--seem like she "has" them all. She is a dragon with three heads. So. . does she really need other riders???
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
Cersei is supposed to burn the Sept, Loras, Marg, and Kevan. And Tommen is supposed to kill himself. Arya might show up at the Twins and poison some pies. Jon is supposed to be in the Godswood with Ghost and Littlefinger--which makes me think he stops Littlefinger's attempt to arm-twist Sansa in marrying him. But that's all I've heard that sounds semi-reliable. And, as I said, the postings are down, so can't link them.
Okay--I know you may have meant this as a compliment, but it makes me sound like a sub-par plumber desperate for business.
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
I'm basing it solely on his conversation with Sansa in the crypts and his smirk. He likes people being indebted to him so I think that IF he does know he will tell Jon. I was thinking the other day that that might even be his goal, to crown Jon and Sansa gave him a way to do it plus nurse his creepy infatuation with Cat.
I'm not sold on RLJ, but I do think it would be in Baelish's obsessive interest to find Jon's mother. Something to eventually hold one Ned and give to Cat. A potential weapon. So, I do think he may have figured out that Jon is Lyanna's kid. And he may know who the father is as well. Or may just be guessing and not be right.
But I can't see why he'd want to crown Jon. He's seen enough to know that even if Jon is Rhaegar's kid, crowning him will be a nightmare project. What are you thinking would be his advantage? He'd want to be Hand or something?
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
Though I'm also thinking that Qyburn will run the little bird killing spree since they took the time to set him up as their leader. So, I'm thinking they will still kill Pycelle.
I agree. They definitely made a point to show us the kiddos. Unless Varys returns from his sojourn and takes the birdies back.
I'm thinking he might kick Mel out. His convo with her before the battle last week established his view of her god. Once he hears that she killed that little girl for her god--I'm not sure he'll execute her, but I could see him banishing her. And, given her fanaticism, that would be a horrible fate in her own mind.
But he executed Olly. So. . . he might execute Mel. Which would be horrifying for him. And sort of full circle. And a twist on his inability to kill Ygritte.
Good point! I'm sure talk of his resurrection is on lips and the Northmen will not take kindly to the Red God so I'm thinking he'll need to execute her or risk losing bannermen he just scored.
I'm struggling to see how the show would establish that Shireen's death paid for Jon's life in actual "fact." Mel might think it does. But the show had things like Bran waking just as Ned killed Lady to show that connection. They've waited a year here. . . they might try to show it, but I'm having trouble seeing how it would really work.
They may just have Mel flat out explain it. Davos: Tell him what you did! Mel: I offered kingsblood to R'hollor to save the king so he could retake WF. Davos: You murdered a child for a king who is dead! Mel: Negative. A king stands before you (nods to Jon).
They mad all three dragons work in tandem with Dany--seem like she "has" them all. She is a dragon with three heads. So. . does she really need other riders???
Logistically, yes. Eventually she needs to spread out and won't be able to control them from afar.
Given what's coming in King's Landing, I wouldn't be surprised if they left the Wall arrival for next season. But yes, Benjen's ranger report to Edd should be. . . interesting.
I'm assuming Bran et al will either cross the Wall or at least reach in this episode since we know from the trailer Bran would be in it. Actually, having him reach the Wall and pass through it, then cut to the NK with a shit eating grin on his face would be a great cliffhanger on which to end.
I'm not sold on RLJ, but I do think it would be in Baelish's obsessive interest to find Jon's mother. Something to eventually hold one Ned and give to Cat. A potential weapon. So, I do think he may have figured out that Jon is Lyanna's kid. And he may know who the father is as well. Or may just be guessing and not be right.
But I can't see why he'd want to crown Jon. He's seen enough to know that even if Jon is Rhaegar's kid, crowning him will be a nightmare project. What are you thinking would be his advantage? He'd want to be Hand or something?
Hand is exactly what I'm thinking. A bit has been made about the power the Hand wields. He's too lowborn to ever sit the IT as King without killing every person in Westeros that isn't working in one of his brothels. Tyrion went from (acting) Hand to Master of Coin, I could see them having it go the other way.
Good point! I'm sure talk of his resurrection is on lips and the Northmen will not take kindly to the Red God so I'm thinking he'll need to execute her or risk losing bannermen he just scored.
Yes--I'm also wondering how much info he's going to give the Northern Lords about his being Jonsus. Not sure how well they'd take to his being their Bastard Lord and Deserter Savior all in one.
But executing Mel--I'm still wondering if Jon will have it in him. He won't let anyone do it for him. But he might just exile her.
They may just have Mel flat out explain it. Davos: Tell him what you did! Mel: I offered kingsblood to R'hollor to save the king so he could retake WF. Davos: You murdered a child for a king who is dead! Mel: Negative. A king stands before you (nods to Jon).
And then Sad Puppy Jonsus can say, "I'm not a king" and send her away.
Though either Davos or Tormund might follow and kill her themselves.
Logistically, yes. Eventually she needs to spread out and won't be able to control them from afar.
Good point. And given the moment with Tyrion, I'm assuming he's rider-the-next. Though I'm wondering if the moment from the trailer when Dany caresses Super Dario's face--s that because she's refusing to marry him or because she's refusing to let him ride a dragon? Or will she let him ride a dragon?
I'm assuming Bran et al will either cross the Wall or at least reach in this episode since we know from the trailer Bran would be in it. Actually, having him reach the Wall and pass through it, then cut to the NK with a shit eating grin on his face would be a great cliffhanger on which to end.
The cut to the Night's King would be excellent. Thy have a LOT to cover this episode, so I could also just see them sticking with Bran having the rest of the tower vision. The actor who plays young Ned says he has a longer scene in episode 10. So, unless they just replay the part Bran already saw, he will be seeing more. And that would perhaps set him up to talk about it to Benjen??? Which might be all we get on Bran.
Hand is exactly what I'm thinking. A bit has been made about the power the Hand wields. He's too lowborn to ever sit the IT as King without killing every person in Westeros that isn't working in one of his brothels. Tyrion went from (acting) Hand to Master of Coin, I could see them having it go the other way.
An excellent point. I'm just struggling to find the Jon-based angle in either the books or the show. In both, Baeilsh seems to want to work through Robin and/or Sansa. He even wants to alienate Sansa from Jon in the show. So. . . trying to see any set up for Baelish wanting to crown Jon. . . if so, would he be planning to double-cross Sansa? Or hoping she'd help him with Jon even after he (Baelish) tried to turn her against Jon?
It's hard for me to see. But I'm on a lot of the plot with Sansa and Baelish right now in the show. So, who knows?
LMAO! I'm typing this as a take a break from creating marketing material used to drum up new business for our leak-detection/restoration division.
We should make Tyrion our spokesman. He ran drains VERY well at Casterly Rock.
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
One of the costume designers said the following about episode 10:
"I try to make each crown have some relationship to the person wearing it,” she says. "One of my favorite crowns I’ve ever done is for someone in episode ten.” She declined to say who that person may be.
So, sounds like someone's getting a crown. Since Dany doesn't wear one and Tommen and Marg already have theirs, I'm guessing they'll force one onto Jon.
Though I could also see the sand snakes crowning one of themselves. And then getting into a slap fight over who gets to be queen.
Or the Night's King could insist that he needs something to supplement his spiky head.
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
SlyWren nice piece of info! It could always be Euron's crown though. I think he threw away the driftwood one
In regards to the three headed dragon and if Dany needs the other two riders. Interesting you should bring that up, because I didn't realize the show kept that part from the books. I thought they completely cut it out and this way left her as the sole owner and rider of dragons for the big finale.
I'm very intrigued by the Lannister / Frey scene than anything else because I cannot imagine why the old goat would say "The Frey and the Lannisters are sending their regards". Are they planning to take the North back? Did the news of the Stark's taking back Winterfell reached them already? Plot thickens...
“Don’t fight in the North, or the South. Fight every battle everywhere. Always, in your mind.”
They may just have Mel flat out explain it. Davos: Tell him what you did! Mel: I offered kingsblood to R'hollor to save the king so he could retake WF. Davos: You murdered a child for a king who is dead! Mel: Negative. A king stands before you (nods to Jon).
I was thinking something similar to what DarkSister1001 said. She could have seen new things in the flames, don't write her off so quickly.
It could always be Euron's crown though. I think he threw away the driftwood one
Good point! And there was hype on Euron that he was supposed to blow our minds. Which for me has not happened. My mind remains very "bleh" re: Euron so far. So, maybe we're going to get some horrifying scene to establish him as the next Joffrey-Ramsay. A scene including a crown.
In regards to the three headed dragon and if Dany needs the other two riders. Interesting you should bring that up, because I didn't realize the show kept that part from the books. I thought they completely cut it out and this way left her as the sole owner and rider of dragons for the big finale.
They did cut the prophecy. Which is interesting. And one of the reason why I'm thinking they might just have the dragons keep together in a pack--or gaggle. Or whatever a cluster of dragons is called.
But DarkSister1001 is right in that they may need more riders if Dany ever wants to send the dragons on separate missions.
I'm very intrigued by the Lannister / Frey scene than anything else because I cannot imagine why the old goat would say "The Frey and the Lannisters are sending their regards". Are they planning to take the North back? Did the news of the Stark's taking back Winterfell reached them already? Plot thickens...
And, given Jaime's face in the stills, I'm thinking he finds the Freys deplorable. So, will he be more willing to join Brienne's Stark crusade??? Especially after Cersei blows up the sept.
Also, odd question--what on earth is behind Walder in this shot?
Is that a coat of mail? A robe? A trophy taken off of the Blackfish? That's just a weird backdrop.
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
I was thinking something similar to what DarkSister1001 said. She could have seen new things in the flames, don't write her off so quickly.
Fair point. Though I can see Davos and Jon being completely unimpressed by her interpretations if they led her to kill Shireen. Not to mention Jon's question, "What kind of god would do that" in the last episode.
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.