I'm so excited for the opening credits. Seeing the flayed man in WF these past years has caused me so much anger. I will be absolutely giddy to see the dire direwolf there again.
That's what I was thinking too. Will he channel Ned and be disgusted by the murder of a child? Or not do anything bc Mel brought him back? If he does nothing I guarantee he'll lose Davos and perhaps Davos will finally get to finish off Mel. I simply can't see Davos understanding and forgiving.
I can't see anyone understanding and forgiving, least of all Jon, who wouldn't even allow the burning of Mance, an enemy unwilling to yield. I can see it now, "Why did we fight the Boltons if not to put an end to the murder of children?!"
Hopefully Jon will recall what Mel said last week, "I didn't bring you back, the LoL did". Then he can execute her for murder with a (semi)clear conscious in front of the heart tree for all the North to see.
Mmmm, a little blood snack for Bran? That would be interesting...
So what are the chances that ShowFinger has figured out R+L=J? I have read several people speculate that he will be the one to tell Jon in the same episode Bran sees via the Weirnet.
But why would he tell him? What could LF possibly gain from crowning Jon? No, I expect he will crown Sansa as the Queen in the North, and marry her to become King in the North and Lord of Winterfell, completing his revenge arc from 20 years ago.
They did cut the prophecy. Which is interesting. And one of the reason why I'm thinking they might just have the dragons keep together in a pack--or gaggle. Or whatever a cluster of dragons is called.
It is interesting, isn't it? The fact that the show never told us the dragon must have three heads very much argues against the idea of Rhaegar stealing Lyanna to sire the third head... or of Jon being this third head. Interesting indeed.
I will also point out again that Bran's vision of probably-Lyanna showed a woman who had been cut with a sword, with her whole dress soaked in blood. No way is that from childbirth, and the location of the cut doesn't work with a c-section either. Just sayin'....
“In Qohor he is the Black Goat, in Yi Ti the Lion of Night, in Westeros the Stranger. All men must bow to him in the end, no matter if they worship the Seven or the Lord of Light, the Moon Mother or the Drowned God or the Great Shepherd. All mankind belongs to him... else somewhere in the world would be a folk who lived forever. Do you know of any folk who live forever?”
Fair point. Though I can see Davos and Jon being completely unimpressed by her interpretations if they led her to kill Shireen. Not to mention Jon's question, "What kind of god would do that" in the last episode.
Sure fire way to have Jon tell her and her Red God to get the eff out of the North.It could go two ways from where i sit.However,I will be very disappointed if the show goes that BS route of Shireen's sacrifice brought Jon back.Didn't she kill Shireen to stop the snowstorm and melt the snow? There was no one to bring back as Jon wasn't dead yet.
1.Seeing as their story has been shit they may try to have her spin Shireen's sacrifice was necessary and it worked to bring the Lord's chosen back.She could also argue that hey she was Rhollor's instrument to bring JS back because the Bolton's banner did burn just it wasn't because of Stannis...
2. She could bit the bullet and say she had no clue,she thought she ws doing the right thing and she's sorry she killed Shireen .
Its all pretty screwed.I'm just whatever at this point.
Saying (1) might get her killed or may get her kicked out of camp.
"The world is full of obvious things which nobody by any chance ever observes"--Sherlock Holmes"
It is interesting, isn't it? The fact that the show never told us the dragon must have three heads very much argues against the idea of Rhaegar stealing Lyanna to sire the third head... or of Jon being this third head. Interesting indeed.
I will also point out again that Bran's vision of probably-Lyanna showed a woman who had been cut with a sword, with her whole dress soaked in blood. No way is that from childbirth, and the location of the cut doesn't work with a c-section either. Just sayin'....
I think the first part is just to deep for them to wrap their heads around.On the latter part i agree,but who knows what the hell is that.We could find out Lyanna and Rhaegar are Dany's parents.Though i am deep in the Rhaegar + Ashara=Dany camp.Second is Rhaella + Bonifer Hasty= Dany and last Ashara+ Brandon=Dany
If that scene was from giving birth to a baby i will eat my labtop.I don't buy the C-section either or Jon being cut out of Lyanna.Ned was waiting for his sister to die in his arms,she gave up her hold on life from a fever after he made the promise.Therefore,i don't see " Promise me Ned,Promise me" that.....
You'll cut my child who may or may not be dead out of me.If the mother died i don't think these people have the sense to say check to see if the baby might be alive in mom's dead body.
I'm still of the belief Lyanna wherever she was got killed trying to keep Jon from being taken.He still got taken and she still got dead.
"The world is full of obvious things which nobody by any chance ever observes"--Sherlock Holmes"
I read an article today that speculated that Arya is actually sitting next to Walder in the pilot scene in the guise of one of Walder's sons. I'm prepared to suspend disbelief that a Faceless Man can adopt the appearance of another, but I'm going to call BS if a 5-foot tall 100-pound girl can take on the appearance of a 6-foot tall 200-pound man.
If this is going to be the vengeance scene for the Red Wedding, I could see Arya having poisoned the wine. When Walder makes his toast "the Lanisters and Freys send their regards", Jaime will put his cup down, and thus survive. The kicker would be if Arya then walks out and tells Jaime "The Starks send their regards". Either that or Winter is Coming". Both would work.
Aren't the white ravens sent out by the Citadel to announce the end of summer? So perhaps it is symbolic of the fact that "Winter is Coming"
Yes, but they are sent to announce the beginning of every season, not just Winter. We met one announcing the beginning of Fall with Maester Cressen in the ACOK prologue.
But yup, I definitely think this is what our episode title is talking about. Winter is finally coming to Westeros.
White ravens, emerging from Old Town (a place that bears black stone construction) are a rather interesting symbol, considering the fact that black "crows" man the white Wall. Each is tethered to the seasons.
The Others seem to be a combination of the two, or a reversal. Pale Sworn Brethren that emerge from the winds of winter, announcing the Long Night.
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
Yes--I'm also wondering how much info he's going to give the Northern Lords about his being Jonsus. Not sure how well they'd take to his being their Bastard Lord and Deserter Savior all in one.
But executing Mel--I'm still wondering if Jon will have it in him. He won't let anyone do it for him. But he might just exile her.
They HAVE to know. He's either in league with Red Rholoo or a deserter from the NW. Unless D&D decide to just glaze over this mucho important detail.
I think if it comes down to it, she'll reveal herself (Mel is 400 years old = Einhorn is a man!)
The cut to the Night's King would be excellent. Thy have a LOT to cover this episode, so I could also just see them sticking with Bran having the rest of the tower vision. The actor who plays young Ned says he has a longer scene in episode 10. So, unless they just replay the part Bran already saw, he will be seeing more. And that would perhaps set him up to talk about it to Benjen??? Which might be all we get on Bran.
In one of the stills it looks like Bran is next to a WW tree so I'm hoping he sees the TOJ. Seriously, I could easily spend an hour just there. And then another hour with Jon & Sansa clean up and putter around WF.
I always hoped for the return of Old Nan after the fall of the Boltons but I read that the actress passed away so they retired her character.
An excellent point. I'm just struggling to find the Jon-based angle in either the books or the show. In both, Baeilsh seems to want to work through Robin and/or Sansa. He even wants to alienate Sansa from Jon in the show. So. . . trying to see any set up for Baelish wanting to crown Jon. . . if so, would he be planning to double-cross Sansa? Or hoping she'd help him with Jon even after he (Baelish) tried to turn her against Jon?
You have to realize that my ideas are completely full of shit from time-to-time right? lol Cersei told him she'd make him Warden of the North in exchange for Sansa's head. I don't think he'll make good on that. Plus Cersei's kind of powerless at the moment. He wants to rule the North. He's had a lifetime to nurse grievances against the Starks and what they took from him. Now he wants their home.
I'm very intrigued by the Lannister / Frey scene than anything else because I cannot imagine why the old goat would say "The Frey and the Lannisters are sending their regards". Are they planning to take the North back? Did the news of the Stark's taking back Winterfell reached them already? Plot thickens...
I'm gonna throw in another prediction...Arya pretends to be a young girl (doesn't necessarily have to change her face) the kind Walder Frey likes, hears him say his line about regards and has his throat opened while Nymeria and all the cousins overtake the twins. Mwahahaha!
I have a sick desire to see these animals eat Frey's in the most gruesome way possible.
The blade was Valyrian steel, spell-forged and dark as smoke. Nothing held an edge like Valyrian steel.
Yeah, but isn't the answer to that somewhat obvious? "A God who has a plan"!
True. But she already told him the Lord of Light had a plan. And he still seemed unimpressed. If the god's plan requires burning a girl, I'm guessing "unimpressed" will be an understatement.
I think if it comes down to it, she'll reveal herself (Mel is 400 years old = Einhorn is a man!)
Now that could make Jon pause re: killing her. But might make everyone else freak out and call her an abomination.
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
If that scene was from giving birth to a baby i will eat my labtop.I don't buy the C-section either or Jon being cut out of Lyanna.Ned was waiting for his sister to die in his arms,she gave up her hold on life from a fever after he made the promise.Therefore,i don't see " Promise me Ned,Promise me" that.....
Yes, that flash of vision looked insanely bloody for just a fever. Maybe a catastrophic hemorrhage or something. But that seemed all wrong in the 1/10 of a second they gave. I'm thinking Lady Dyanna's idea that Ashara might have attacked Lyanna is holding more water by the minute.
In one of the stills it looks like Bran is next to a WW tree so I'm hoping he sees the TOJ. Seriously, I could easily spend an hour just there. And then another hour with Jon & Sansa clean up and putter around WF.
HA! Bran could get deep, important info. And Sansa and Jon could roll their eyes at each other as Sansa tries to get him to give an opinion on what color to repaint the castle.
He wants to rule the North. He's had a lifetime to nurse grievances against the Starks and what they took from him. Now he wants their home.
Which is why I'm thinking a power struggle between Jon and Littlefinger could be in the works next season. I really doubt Jon will let Baelish arm twist Sansa into marrying him. So, now there will actually be a conflict (whereas before this, the conflict in Sansa's mind seemed very forced).
Now--can Jon do better than Ned did against Baelish? Especially since he kinda needs Baelish now. Or will he just pull a Brandon and start hacking?
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
I read an article today that speculated that Arya is actually sitting next to Walder in the pilot scene in the guise of one of Walder's sons. I'm prepared to suspend disbelief that a Faceless Man can adopt the appearance of another, but I'm going to call BS if a 5-foot tall 100-pound girl can take on the appearance of a 6-foot tall 200-pound man.
If this is going to be the vengeance scene for the Red Wedding, I could see Arya having poisoned the wine. When Walder makes his toast "the Lanisters and Freys send their regards", Jaime will put his cup down, and thus survive. The kicker would be if Arya then walks out and tells Jaime "The Starks send their regards". Either that or Winter is Coming". Both would work.
I hadn't read the "Arya takes a son's" place theory. But I have read that she's one of the serving girls--there's a blond girl in the scene that looks a bit like the waif.
Also, don't know if you all say this, but a while back Sophie and Maisie played "Two truths and a lie"--http://www.popsugar.com/entertainment/Game-Thrones-Cast-Plays-Two-Truths-Lie-2016-41387686#photo-41387686
Maisie Williams's (supposed) two truths and a lie Arya goes to Westeros, back over the sea. Arya is in the trailer more times than people have realized, because they don't realize it's her. Arya doesn't cross any more names off her list.
Sophie Turner's (supposed) two truths and a lie Ramsay dies. Lady Stoneheart returns. Arya checks three people off her list.
No idea if they are actually telling any truths--but given what we now know, the above could be telling re: the Freys.
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
I hadn't read the "Arya takes a son's" place theory. But I have read that she's one of the serving girls--there's a blond girl in the scene that looks a bit like the waif.
Also, don't know if you all say this, but a while back Sophie and Maisie played "Two truths and a lie"--http://www.popsugar.com/entertainment/Game-Thrones-Cast-Plays-Two-Truths-Lie-2016-41387686#photo-41387686
Maisie Williams's (supposed) two truths and a lie Arya goes to Westeros, back over the sea. Arya is in the trailer more times than people have realized, because they don't realize it's her. Arya doesn't cross any more names off her list.
Sophie Turner's (supposed) two truths and a lie Ramsay dies. Lady Stoneheart returns. Arya checks three people off her list.
No idea if they are actually telling any truths--but given what we now know, the above could be telling re: the Freys.
The actual theory pointed out that the three people responsible for plotting the Red Wedding were Roose Bolton, Tywin Lanister, and Walder Frey. So far, both Roose and Tywin have been killed by their sons. They seemed to see a pattern here which would indicate that one of Walder's sons would kill him. Somehow that turned into Arya disguised as one of the sons.
Now--can Jon do better than Ned did against Baelish? Especially since he kinda needs Baelish now. Or will he just pull a Brandon and start hacking?
Good question! Will Sansa trust Jon enough to tell him everything she knows? She could take the Vale from LF just by telling Royce that the Bolton marriage was all LFs doing. Can she out LF, LF?
The blade was Valyrian steel, spell-forged and dark as smoke. Nothing held an edge like Valyrian steel.
Davos will want her dead. But I could see Jon just banishing her, no matter what.
Yeah conflicting religious beliefs may be a big part.Unless she tones back the "all who don't worship TLOL must be sacrificed to the flames" she would have a long walk ahead of her.
Yes, that flash of vision looked insanely bloody for just a fever. Maybe a catastrophic hemorrhage or something. But that seemed all wrong in the 1/10 of a second they gave. I'm thinking Lady Dyanna's idea that Ashara might have attacked Lyanna is holding more water by the minute.
Wuh??? Ashara attacked Lyanna? These people are good at doing stupid things as in "Arya gets stabbed multiple times and could barely walk,then one cup of milk of the poppy later she's doing Pakor across Braavos." So i don't put it pass them to do something unrealistic.
Now--can Jon do better than Ned did against Baelish? Especially since he kinda needs Baelish now. Or will he just pull a Brandon and start hacking?
Oh dear,if LF had a Lobotomy done on him while he was drunk he would still unsmart JS.Jon is a warrior a true warrior,but a thinker skilled at the game ?Noooooo.
"The world is full of obvious things which nobody by any chance ever observes"--Sherlock Holmes"