It's something I've mentioned too. Might be more than a little crackpot, but it would provide a nice symmetry if Ashara mortally wounded Lyanna, considering Ned killed Arthur.
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
The actual theory pointed out that the three people responsible for plotting the Red Wedding were Roose Bolton, Tywin Lanister, and Walder Frey. So far, both Roose and Tywin have been killed by their sons. They seemed to see a pattern here which would indicate that one of Walder's sons would kill him. Somehow that turned into Arya disguised as one of the sons.
Interesting--and would be fun. I'm not liking the idea of Arya teleporting to the Twins all that much, but I could forgive it if Arya can take out Walder.
Good question! Will Sansa trust Jon enough to tell him everything she knows? She could take the Vale from LF just by telling Royce that the Bolton marriage was all LFs doing. Can she out LF, LF?
I would love it if she pulled that off. But I keep thinking they will delay her turn on him for a while, rather like Martin keeps delaying it.
Wuh??? Ashara attacked Lyanna? These people are good at doing stupid things as in "Arya gets stabbed multiple times and could barely walk,then one cup of milk of the poppy later she's doing Pakor across Braavos." So i don't put it pass them to do something unrealistic.
HA! Well, it's also tied to the ways the scene between Sansa and Lysa at the moon door may (key word is may) echo Ashara--Ashara, like Lysa, dies mourning a lost love and falling from a white tower.
Oh dear,if LF had a Lobotomy done on him while he was drunk he would still unsmart JS.Jon is a warrior a true warrior,but a thinker skilled at the game ?Noooooo.
HA! Let's hope the spoilers are true and Lyanna Mormont tells off the rest of the North for not rallying to Jon so they all fall behind him. If he can get the North behind him fully, he'll have a bit less to worry about from Littlefinger.
But only a little.
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
You speak Spanish?! Can you translate his spoilers for us? (And spoiler tag them)
I second this request--ifandonlyif you have time. I couldn't find a translation (usually there's one around) and my Spanish is terrible.
shizett : one of the spoiler sites is still up: truede on Free Folk Reddit. Here it is if you are interested: You have to scroll down a bit to get the full Q and A with the leaker.
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
If that scene was from giving birth to a baby i will eat my labtop.I don't buy the C-section either or Jon being cut out of Lyanna.Ned was waiting for his sister to die in his arms,she gave up her hold on life from a fever after he made the promise.Therefore,i don't see " Promise me Ned,Promise me" that.....
You'll cut my child who may or may not be dead out of me.If the mother died i don't think these people have the sense to say check to see if the baby might be alive in mom's dead body.
Agreed. If Lyanna had a baby, she did not have it in the two minutes that Ned fought the KG, and it's not what killed her.
I'm still of the belief Lyanna wherever she was got killed trying to keep Jon from being taken.He still got taken and she still got dead.
I like this idea, except that in the show we hear her scream right after Ned kills Ser Arthur. If she was only then wounded, a) where did the baby thief go and b ) how would she have time to develop a fever before she died? (In the books, something like this seems more probable).
I read an article today that speculated that Arya is actually sitting next to Walder in the pilot scene in the guise of one of Walder's sons. I'm prepared to suspend disbelief that a Faceless Man can adopt the appearance of another, but I'm going to call BS if a 5-foot tall 100-pound girl can take on the appearance of a 6-foot tall 200-pound man.
If Arya is there in disguise, I would bet my right arm that she would be Walder's new little wife. Because while she may be ok with poisoning everyone else, it would be too impersonal of a way to kill the old fart. He, I believe, will meet an end not too different from Meryn Trant, and he will know who killed him.
If this is going to be the vengeance scene for the Red Wedding, I could see Arya having poisoned the wine. When Walder makes his toast "the Lanisters and Freys send their regards", Jaime will put his cup down, and thus survive. The kicker would be if Arya then walks out and tells Jaime "The Starks send their regards". Either that or Winter is Coming". Both would work.
Only if she stabs him at the same time. Then again, she didn't witness the actual Red Wedding, so she wouldn't know to use that phrase...
Oh dear,if LF had a Lobotomy done on him while he was drunk he would still unsmart JS.Jon is a warrior a true warrior,but a thinker skilled at the game ?Noooooo.
Hahahhaha! I love Jon, but I agree completely. The idea of him outmaneuvering LF is completely absurd (no disrespect intended to whoever proposed it.). Sansa, however, has an ace up her sleeve if she is smart enough to realize it: Sweetrobin. If she marries him in front of all the Vale men (and the heart tree), then accuses LF of selling her to Ramsay (and maybe some other crimes), she could order him killed right then and there. No waiting, no time for scheming... just a quick, public wedding followed immediately by an execution. The maid that the Ghost of High Heart saw, slaying a giant in a castle made of snow.
“In Qohor he is the Black Goat, in Yi Ti the Lion of Night, in Westeros the Stranger. All men must bow to him in the end, no matter if they worship the Seven or the Lord of Light, the Moon Mother or the Drowned God or the Great Shepherd. All mankind belongs to him... else somewhere in the world would be a folk who lived forever. Do you know of any folk who live forever?”
Sooo i just watched the spoilers from Frikidoctor.....
All i can say is we will have a lot to talk about tommorrow.
On a scale from 1-10, how spoilery is it?? I always want to look but then I regret it when I'm watching... Is there something big we haven't come up with? Do we get an answer to the TOJ (don't tell me what it is please!!! Just if we find out ). Thank you. Sorry for being annoying about this. I should probably just go read it.
25 hours and 20 minutes! (Did you know WatchersOnTheWall have a countdown clock up? Lol. I thought I was bad.)
“In Qohor he is the Black Goat, in Yi Ti the Lion of Night, in Westeros the Stranger. All men must bow to him in the end, no matter if they worship the Seven or the Lord of Light, the Moon Mother or the Drowned God or the Great Shepherd. All mankind belongs to him... else somewhere in the world would be a folk who lived forever. Do you know of any folk who live forever?”
Sooo i just watched the spoilers from Frikidoctor.....
All i can say is we will have a lot to talk about tommorrow.
On a scale from 1-10, how spoilery is it?? I always want to look but then I regret it when I'm watching... Is there something big we haven't come up with? Do we get an answer to the TOJ (don't tell me what it is please!!! Just if we find out ). Thank you. Sorry for being annoying about this. I should probably just go read it.
25 hours and 20 minutes! (Did you know WatchersOnTheWall have a countdown clock up? Lol. I thought I was bad.)
25hrs and 15mins to go!!! Lol
I'm assuming VERY spoilery. Be ye warned! The spoilers from that guy have been completely accurate, and reddit has been compiling them from him and other accurate folks.
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
I'm assuming VERY spoilery. Be ye warned! The spoilers from that guy have been completely accurate, and reddit has been compiling them from him and other accurate folks.
Ok... I will try even harder to stay away. But it's ... so.... tempting... to get all the answers right now, grrr!!!
“In Qohor he is the Black Goat, in Yi Ti the Lion of Night, in Westeros the Stranger. All men must bow to him in the end, no matter if they worship the Seven or the Lord of Light, the Moon Mother or the Drowned God or the Great Shepherd. All mankind belongs to him... else somewhere in the world would be a folk who lived forever. Do you know of any folk who live forever?”
I'm assuming VERY spoilery. Be ye warned! The spoilers from that guy have been completely accurate, and reddit has been compiling them from him and other accurate folks.
Ok... I will try even harder to stay away. But it's ... so.... tempting... to get all the answers right now, grrr!!!
It's hard. I don't blame you if you look. I already did. Lol
And we're at G.o.T.-minus 24 hours and 56 minutes
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
If that scene was from giving birth to a baby i will eat my labtop.I don't buy the C-section either or Jon being cut out of Lyanna.Ned was waiting for his sister to die in his arms,she gave up her hold on life from a fever after he made the promise.Therefore,i don't see " Promise me Ned,Promise me" that.....
You'll cut my child who may or may not be dead out of me.If the mother died i don't think these people have the sense to say check to see if the baby might be alive in mom's dead body.
Agreed. If Lyanna had a baby, she did not have it in the two minutes that Ned fought the KG, and it's not what killed her.
I'm still of the belief Lyanna wherever she was got killed trying to keep Jon from being taken.He still got taken and she still got dead.
I like this idea, except that in the show we hear her scream right after Ned kills Ser Arthur. If she was only then wounded, a) where did the baby thief go and b ) how would she have time to develop a fever before she died? (In the books, something like this seems more probable).
I read an article today that speculated that Arya is actually sitting next to Walder in the pilot scene in the guise of one of Walder's sons. I'm prepared to suspend disbelief that a Faceless Man can adopt the appearance of another, but I'm going to call BS if a 5-foot tall 100-pound girl can take on the appearance of a 6-foot tall 200-pound man.
If Arya is there in disguise, I would bet my right arm that she would be Walder's new little wife. Because while she may be ok with poisoning everyone else, it would be too impersonal of a way to kill the old fart. He, I believe, will meet an end not too different from Meryn Trant, and he will know who killed him.
If this is going to be the vengeance scene for the Red Wedding, I could see Arya having poisoned the wine. When Walder makes his toast "the Lanisters and Freys send their regards", Jaime will put his cup down, and thus survive. The kicker would be if Arya then walks out and tells Jaime "The Starks send their regards". Either that or Winter is Coming". Both would work.
Oh dear,if LF had a Lobotomy done on him while he was drunk he would still unsmart JS.Jon is a warrior a true warrior,but a thinker skilled at the game ?Noooooo.
Hahahhaha! I love Jon, but I agree completely. The idea of him outmaneuvering LF is completely absurd (no disrespect intended to whoever proposed it.). Sansa, however, has an ace up her sleeve if she is smart enough to realize it: Sweetrobin. If she marries him in front of all the Vale men (and the heart tree), then accuses LF of selling her to Ramsay (and maybe some other crimes), she could order him killed right then and there. No waiting, no time for scheming... just a quick, public wedding followed immediately by an execution. The maid that the Ghost of High Heart saw, slaying a giant in a castle made of snow.
I was thinking something similar to what DarkSister1001 said. She could have seen new things in the flames, don't write her off so quickly.
Fair point. Though I can see Davos and Jon being completely unimpressed by her interpretations if they led her to kill Shireen. Not to mention Jon's question, "What kind of god would do that" in the last episode.
The blade was Valyrian steel, spell-forged and dark as smoke. Nothing held an edge like Valyrian steel.