Post by silentmajority on Jul 18, 2017 21:13:42 GMT
I gave the show an 8. It's obviously a show that sets the board for things to come, so not too exciting but a necessary installment in my opinion.
Biggest criticism is with Dany's scene. Specifically the gate to Dragonstone. Do you really want a gate that opens inwards? I would think you would want a gate that is designed to go in the opposite direction that an invading horde with a battering ram would want it to go... That and why is the castle completely empty? I would think that someone would be there? Actually, the more I think of it why is the castle in such good shape? I would have thought that Robert Baratheon would have had the entire castle torn down...
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Actually, the more I think of it why is the castle in such good shape? I would have thought that Robert Baratheon would have had the entire castle torn down...
Drunken Bobby B did not only keep Dragonstone, he put his most militarily-adept brother in charge of it. Dragonstone is where The Mannis undermined House Lannister, employed his Red Woman, and gathered his strength in preparation for the wars to come.
LOL! Sorry Karsa. It's your TV, you can watch whatever you want. Really Euron for gods sake. Where did he get that crown? Did somebody pick up a couple of sticks in their back yard? I admit, I've been spoiled. I read the Foresaken Chapter and I want steak and lobster, not a cheezy hot dog. I want the kraken, I want mountains to blow up and the sky to fall down.
It's dumb. Book Loras (or Aegon?) has just taken Dragonstone, iirc.
Possibly fake rumours of Loras being badly injured during the siege reached KL, boiling oil iirc. The bastard of Nightsong was holding the castle, Loras offered him a 1v1, he refused. That's as much as I can remember.
That's fair enough but he can't control other people's actions in this regard (well, maybe he can). Remember, Aemon had to join the NW and get as far from the politics of the capital as possible, Bran doesn't have that luxury, he will have to remain at Winterfell.
I always draw a blank to be honest when it comes to Bran's future afterwards (if he survives). His situation is so out of the ordinary in an already extraordinary time and place for anyone in the North to be. It will be interesting to see what he does. All this knowledge and magical ability only to waste it on a routine task of being the Warden of the North, worrying about crops and housing and dispensing rules and justice seems weird.
And since I'm on the subject: I thought the episode is a 6. A 7 if I'm generous.
“Don’t fight in the North, or the South. Fight every battle everywhere. Always, in your mind.”
Overall, I thought the episode was pretty good. I wouldn’t necessarily describe it as epic, as I’ve seen some news critics and fans describing it, but I enjoyed it for the most part. I liked the Hound’s scenes and found Euron entertaining. I was also happy to see that Bran made it into the episode, even if it was brief.
As many others have been saying, empty Dragonstone and the realization of dragonglass being located on Dragonstone were huge eye-roll moments for me. I didn’t even notice Dany was absent from the episode until she showed up in the last 3 minutes of the show. I was a little bit sour grapes that she ripped down Stannis’ banner. Girl, please. Don’t rip down the banner like you just took the castle after a battle, you walked into an empty building. However, I openly admit that is completely a fangirl reaction. That being said, I was glad to finally see her arrive in Westeros and seeing the dragons fly to Dragonstone was pretty damn cool.
I had that immediate thought as well--"shouldn't there be some token force of defenders here? Stannis' men? The crown's?"
I think they made the right choice, though; in a scene that's supposed to be all about Dany returning to Westeros, we didn't really need to see a scene of Dany and her army clearing out a bunch of nameless leftovers in a battle that has no real tension.
I had that immediate thought as well--"shouldn't there be some token force of defenders here? Stannis' men? The crown's?"
That's problem one, problem two is that Euron sailed his entire fleet passed Dragonstone, TWICE and didn't think to even go have a shufty. Problem three is that Jaime says that he knows Dany will land on D'Stone and then they do nothing to stop her, DRAGONSTONE IS NOT THAT FAR FROM KL PEOPLE !!! This is a military fail of epic proportions.
Military, shmilitary. Danearys Stormborn... titles... will emote all into submission! don't make her unleash the crazy eye, for the world shall tremble.
Possibly fake rumours of Loras being badly injured during the siege reached KL, boiling oil iirc. The bastard of Nightsong was holding the castle, Loras offered him a 1v1, he refused. That's as much as I can remember.
Loras was in a hurry to take the castle (he needed the Redwyne fleet, which had been besieging Dragonstone) so he stormed it. He himself led the charge and that's how he got burned by the oil (according to Cersei).
And Aegon just took Storm's End. I'm really looking forward to learning more about how he (or rather, JonCon) pulled this off.
I had that immediate thought as well--"shouldn't there be some token force of defenders here? Stannis' men? The crown's?"
I think they made the right choice, though; in a scene that's supposed to be all about Dany returning to Westeros, we didn't really need to see a scene of Dany and her army clearing out a bunch of nameless leftovers in a battle that has no real tension.
Sure, but it would have been easy to have some Unsullied meet her on the beach, and Grey Worm could tell her "we've cleared the castle. The handful of men who were here have surrendered. DS is yours."
None of these little errors are a huge deal on their own, IMO, but they add up over time to make the overall story less believable. And that's a damn shame, when they are entirely avoidable. "Why is the castle empty" is not a question only asked by book readers or extra-hardcore fans; it is a reasonable assumption that castles don't just sit around empty. "How does the face allow Arya to be taller and have a man's voice" is also a valid question, when this was never touched on during her training at all. In fact, she never once wore a face with permission, and was never taught how to do it. As much money as goes into this show, you would think they would hire a handful of fans to ensure the overall plot makes sense. Call me old fashioned, but I enjoy a side of plot with my tits and dragons.
“In Qohor he is the Black Goat, in Yi Ti the Lion of Night, in Westeros the Stranger. All men must bow to him in the end, no matter if they worship the Seven or the Lord of Light, the Moon Mother or the Drowned God or the Great Shepherd. All mankind belongs to him... else somewhere in the world would be a folk who lived forever. Do you know of any folk who live forever?”
Also, do you think she's going to kill the Lannister soldiers?
Nope, she ate the rabbit, she cannot break guest right after killing all the Freys for doing that
The Dragonstone thing.... I think they actually took it with force, but they did not show that bit to make it more... ionno epic, to show how easy it is for Dany
I was a little bit sour grapes that she ripped down Stannis’ banner. Girl, please. Don’t rip down the banner like you just took the castle after a battle, you walked into an empty building. However, I openly admit that is completely a fangirl reaction.
Lol I think you got it right though even if you were just fangirling. The gesture is quite a contrast with the Starks taking down the Bolton banners from the Winterfell walls. They took heavy losses and fought hard to get the satisfaction of removing those. Seeing Dany doing it without her moving a finger to take back her own ancestral home was anticlimactic and as a friend would put it: Meh.
“Don’t fight in the North, or the South. Fight every battle everywhere. Always, in your mind.”