Post by stdaga on Mar 31, 2018 2:33:11 GMT
Haha, I guess I'm saying I don't think Robert had a very good council! While one could argue that Stannis wouldn't get through with any objections, he seems to think a king is owed almost anything if his treatment of Saan is anything to go by. Mannis or no, money doesn't seem to be his strongest point.
And I'm not saying it's easy to rule, but galloping debts should make alarms go off that something is not right.
Oh, I agree the council wasn't so great. I suppose some of that can be blamed on GRRM more than Robert. After all, the author needed it all to fall apart so he could tell his story.
I have always found it odd that after Robert became the ruler, no matter how strong the Lannister influence seemed to be, Tywin never sat on Robert's small council or served in any way except for apparently loaning the crown money and sending little Lannister's to serve as squires. Perhaps that is Jon Arryn's influence, perhaps that was Robert's choice, but it seems like someone wanted to keep the Lannister's out of the center of power, in spite of Cersei's relationship to Robert. Did Tywin want to be more involved? Or perhaps his pride was so great that if he could not be hand, he would rather not serve at all? That seems like Tywin to me.
Yes, you've made this point in other threads as well. And it is interesting! I just question it, if the thought of sentient throne is mere superstition or if it's something to it. And I lean to the former at the moment.
I guess I look at the throne a bit like I look at Dawn. If that sword can "choose" who is the Sword of the Morning, than the Iron Throne could have some sort of power of it's own. If the weirnet can see, why can't the Irone Throne? I guess that is how I look at it. I doubt there will ever be any confirmation or denial of this, so it can be argued for years!
Certainly! Debate and disagreement is part of how we flesh out ideas.
Tywin's plans are a bit hard to piece together. He has much in common with Frey during the rebellion, and could've been ready to side with the one who emerged stronger. If so, I think he possibly could side with Rheagar if he was the victor, but not just any Targaryen. The killing of Rhaegar's wife and children is proof of that in my mind, but then he could have gotten word of his death by that time and so gave the order.
But I doubt he was planning on crowning himself. Fresh forces aside, he'd need many allies to pull that off, and we don't see much proof of that. Crakehall could have gotten the order of securing the throneroom and Aerys, and nothing more.
With the information we have, it's hard to say. Many possibilities are open!
It is rather hard to imagine Tywin attempting to make himself King. But Robert made himself King by winning a war. Tywin could have done that by winning a battle, if you can call the Sake of King's Landing a battle.
Tywin's motives are a bit unclear. He proclaimes that he felt that he was doing Robert a favor by killing Rhaegar's heir's, and perhaps he was. That is a choice in itself, but that might have been a decision that only came after confirmation that Rhaegar died at the Trident. Whether Tywin did this to help clear a path to the throne for Robert, or perhaps intended to clear his own way to the throne, is hard to say. One thing that Tywin had going for himself was immense wealth, or at least the illusion of wealth. That could have paved a path straight to the throne for him. But he erred by making a huge enemy of Dorne with his actions toward Elia and her children.
Perhaps that had something to do with Tywin not being directly involved in Robert's reign. Keeping Tywin in Casterly Rock might have been part of Jon Arryn's deal with Dorne after the rebellion. I do think we might get some details of this before the story ends. I hope, any way.
Or we've learned that already, and this shows more the wedge between Jamie and Tywin. For Crakehall it could seem like Jamie had his orders to kill Aerys and did it, or at the very least wouldn'r resist them taking Aerys into custody. Tywin might expect that, as he later expects him to leave the kingsguard. Jamie on the other hand might have taken his vows seriously enough to forsake his old house and so not act according to their benefit.
And this might be just the thing that Martin leaves up to the reader to decide.
I agree this might be something that GRRM leaves up to us to decide for ourselves.