Euron, The Abomination

And not-so-polar opposites: twilights of dusk and dawn.



Agreed. It may be wishful thinking, but I do rather want Ned to be the one to explain things to Jon--if Jon gets his underworld moment. Ned wanted to give the info. And it seems like he should be the one to do it. But this is Martinlandia, so who knows?



YUP! It also reminds me of the driftwood crown--it is innately ephemeral. Holding onto a prize at all. . . dangerous.



Amen. Though this does remind me that the Daynes are stony Dornish, not sandy. Back to the idea of things being concealed and protected in mountains and rock.

And the river--reminds me of the "sunless sea" in Bloodraven's cave--the over around Starfall runs around, not under. But, like Winterfell, the castle is surrounded by water.

Probably nothing--but that image of an island in a river. . . it's captivating. Like Winterfell's hot spring in the cold north.

Apologies for the tardiness but I'm catching up now. Thanks for your kind words. I really enjoy the dark and twisty characters and this topic. Sicko, but interesting.

Very true! Thanks for that reminder!

I see what you mean. I think we agree on some of this scene. IMO the impaling isn't physical death, but the end of the training. Bran's training is rushed, time is short and winter is coming. Euron's training would have happened decades earlier. Who knows how many flying trips Euron could have made with BR before his training was put to an end. If his arrogance and inability to follow the training is what lead him to be abandoned by BR I think his cockiness would endure.
I'd also like to add that I think Hodor's "bump on the head" is a clue that he too is an impaled dreamer.
As far as the scoring goes I think the initial flight is based on ability and the continuing of that is based on character. Bran almost looses it when he thinks of Jaime. The 3EC tells him to put that away, to rise above which I consider to be a part of a person's character. If Bran were to dwell on that (think angsty teenager) he wouldn't be able to move onward and upward, so to speak.

Yes he is. In our Bran re-read over at W we discussed that Bran is on a slippery slope. At first, it was necessary. Now it isn't. If he can stop, (c'mon WoW!) I think he can redeem himself. I suspect BR may know, but has to consider the lack of time and oncoming winter.

I wouldn't be surprised if good o' Dany doesn't get involved in some backstabbing. I'm mostly convinced that 2 other peeps would bond with Viscerion and Rhaegal. If that's the case it could mean a battle on the sea between dragons. Still lots to interpret.

I would love that too. Open Scene....Jon is walking around Winterfell with Ghost. Ghost goes to the crypts and Jon follows. He continues to follow him down and down. At the bottom of spiral steps Ghost mists into Ned. Ned embraces him and tells him he's waited a long time for this. "Come...nephew." He leads Jon to Lyanna's crypt and begins the story with Harrenhal and ends with the ToJ. He then mists into Lyanna. She tells him about the love between her and his dad, Rhaeger and that it began with a song and a tear. And tells him to open the crypts where he'll find the proof. End scene.

I'm a gd romantic. Lol

That arrogant asshat would never admit failure. Especially to one of his brothers. If he did eventually fall and become impaled he would conveniently leave that out. (Can you tell I don't trust him? LOL)

Total speculation, BUT if he voiced his concerns to Euron and it became an issue that lead to the end of training, BR might be willing to overlook some things at this point just to get his apprentice.

I could definitely see it being Benjen. Hell that might just be what he's been up to for the past few years! IIRC BR went out on a ranging and didn't return to his post. Seems to fit. Good call!

Marwyn & Quaithe are certainly possibilities but I had not considered them. I thought BR bc of the blood connection to Dany. But If my other crackpot about Quaithe and Mel being sisters (Old Nan is Momma and BR is Daddy-O) then it stills fits. Yes, I'm building crackpot on top of crackpot. LOL
As far as what the Children allow...do they have a choice even if they know? I don't think so. The Children are "stronger" with a Human Greenseer. They may be in the same boat as BR is with BR. Of course, they may have something else up their sleeves. Some options off the top of my head...Help Bran's strength grow and then manipulate him to turn on BR and stop Danny; teach him about the dangers so he can skinchange the dragons and stop the destruction or somehow control the fire. I think there's still room for lots of possibilities in that cave under the WW.

It would be beyond cuddly. And make me happy.

But it would be very short lived--he'd then have to go deep into the tombs to wake up the kings.

Right, I meant Nagga's Bones - sorry about that brain lapse. 

I think it does.  IMO Bran needed get hurt and slip into a coma in order to rush his training.  Summer (CotF) tried to warn him.  Jojen started having greendreams after a bout a Greywater Fever.  They're vulnerable.  I can't help but wonder if it's their physical frailty that makes them so easy to manipulate, I mean teach.