How Tywin Took Lyanna with the Porcupine Knight
Jul 15, 2016 22:42:15 GMT
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Post by SlyWren on Jul 15, 2016 22:42:15 GMT
Jul 15, 2016 21:09:45 GMT @superunknown5 said:
Very compelling indeed. And might I add, R+A=D would explain a certain House of the Undying prophecy very well:Indeed--it would make it achingly simple. Rhaegar is looking at his daughter when Dany sees it. But he was looking at his daughter's mother in the past--the lady in waiting who would have been in the room attending Elia: Ashara.
Jul 15, 2016 21:09:45 GMT @superunknown5 said:
The dragon needed a third head. One frail Elia could not whelp. A surrogate womb must needs be found. One nearby, who would not arouse suspicion. A member of Elia's party court, and for the sake of keeping up appearances, a Dornishwoman. Whom better and more trustworthy, than the honorable and fair Ashara Dayne, sister of the Dragon Prince's best friend, Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning.
YUP! This is one of markg171 repeating points. That turing to Ashara would make a LOT more sense than kidnapping Lyanna. We even have something of an echo in the "marriage" over prophecies between Stannis, Mel, and Selyse. True believers and allies in the cause. Davos could even be the faithful Arthur to some extent.
Martin drew a big red circle around the repeats of history when he gave out the World Book story of the Defiance and the backstory on Harrenhal. So, the idea that he's telling us how a prophecy might be brought about by true believers via Stannis and Co--makes sense.
Jul 15, 2016 21:09:45 GMT @superunknown5 said:
Perhaps Rhaegar and Arthur even made a pact. A pact of Ice and Fire. A Stark and Targaryen, birthed from the venerable loins of House Dayne. Maybe. But I'm reminded of voice point re: "lust" and Jon's face in the brothel chapter. Or even Jon's thoughts about his father's weakness in his mother's bed. And Arys Oakheart's as well. Seems like there's a good chance Jon was an accident of lust and Lyanna's wolf blood. While Dany is a prophecy eugenics project.
Jul 15, 2016 21:09:45 GMT @superunknown5 said:
Compile this with Arthur's death at the hands of his lover's brother and she'd have more than enough reason to leap from that tower, stillbirth or no. Assuming she really did leap from the Palestone Sword. Or maybe it's all part of the plan. A perfect cover story, a faked death. So tragic. So tragic in fact, what knave would dare question it?Though as far as Ashara's "suicide", I remain well skeptictal. To wit:
Well, rather like Martin started hitting us over the head with Duskendale in Feast--just in case we didn't read the World Book and figure out that the Defiance of Duskendale was important--in a more subtle fashion, Martin's been telling us from the beginning that Ashara's suicide is somehow important. He brings up the death of a woman we never meet a LOT for it to mean nothing.
Jul 15, 2016 21:09:45 GMT @superunknown5 said:
Ashara is alive. I think Ashara is Quaithe. If Ashara is Dany's mother, it makes perfect sense that she would want to help guide her, and to see her again, even if she could never reveal to Dany her true identity.I waffle on this. But am currently leaning in the direction of its making sense.
And an excellent catch on the similar wording of Quaithe and Arthur!
As you quoted, Dany notes that she speaks the Common Tongue "of the Seven Kingdoms" vs. the other two who come to meet her.
Only Quaithe warns her and gives her relatively good, non-obviously-self-serving advice (compared to others).
Only Quaithe haunts her dreams/visions--as you note. Dany even calls out for her.
And Quaithe's eyes are wet when she warns Dany--as though the warning is heartfelt and deeply personal.
The show even bothered to bring her in with relatively good advice. Which makes me wonder if she'll show up in later episodes--in dreams.
Jul 15, 2016 21:09:45 GMT @superunknown5 said:
Ashara is the (literal) falling star. Arthur is the sword.YUP! Ashara is an actual name in our world--a version of Ishara--an ancient goddess. Related to Ishtar--a star and fertility goddess. Fits Ashara pretty well.
Jul 15, 2016 21:09:45 GMT @superunknown5 said:
This mask is shiny and red. It takes on a the appearance of being red and wet like blood. It's a blood mask, essentially. Now, as many of you are aware, my A+L=J theory rests HEAVILY on the idea the Ser Arthur Dayne is represented by blood imagery, in contrast to miss Stark being represented by blue winter roses:So, Ashara under the red mask becomes similar to a blood sacrifice? Like Arthur's statement to Jaime, and Lyanna's bloody bed?