Certainly a possibility. Personally I would have chosen to do that with more established theories that the majority believe is the likely outcome.
David & Dan like to have their little digs at us "nerds". The fact that the the (f)Dany theory is only really well known around the boards & on reddit makes it more likely (imo) that they would take a swipe at us like this. I'll always remember that shot of the river Trident and the brief second I thought we were getting LS before Sandor literally took a piss on that idea.
One final note about the ep, I actually had to pause the dvr and take a little lie down after "a finger up the bum ? We'll talk later". Jaime's face was perfection itself.
I actually had to pause the dvr and take a little lie down after "a finger up the bum ? We'll talk later". Jaime's face was perfection itself.
i was rolling, and that line made me absolutely love Euron. i don't care he's nothing like from the books, is a cross between Ramsay and Jack Sparrow, and all in all has nothing resembling realism associated with him, getting sex advice from the queen's brother combined with how he singlehandedly demolished the Bad Pussy tribe makes him my new favorite character on the show.
Really? I was looking forward to seeing some of these characters coming together, but their meeting fell flat for me. And in spite of her amazing ass (or because of it??) Missandei seemed kinda bitchy.
i'm waiting to reserve judgement. it is hard to really play off someone else when you're standing 50' away and one of them is on a throne being pretentious. i'm thinking the ice will thaw a little when Jon is close to one of the dragons in the next episode or two, and i think the sparks will fly then, having them fly the moment he gets to Dragonstone and is like, "Nah, won't bend the knee but i want you to come and help me take out the dead who are coming and i need to mine dragonglass from here to fight them." if that causes sparks to fly that's horrible writing...
RE: Mis - she's dreading the Worm's fate, and i think those aside from Tyrion are offended on Dany's behalf that Jon is KitN, and that was coming through.
Truth is, i might be becoming a show apologist since they are at least finishing what they started. Give me Tits and Dragons and i'm pretty happy it appears...
I gave this another 7.Some of the scenes were really emotive and well done.It really had to do with the actors and actresses though.
The poisoning scene with Cersie and the Dornish...Well done.I can project foward and see Obara is it? Her just dying and her mom having to see that.Them reaching and unable to touch was very good.
The Jamie Oleana dialogue was very good.How that entire thing was delivered really good as well.Implications Cersie spent all this time (and may be Jamie may have believed it) believing Tyrion killed Joff.Oh I want to see her in that reveal.Not that it would matter.
The Varys and Melissandre scene was performed nicley but it thematically was nonsense.
Standouts, Davos and his comic relief after Missandai lists all Dany's titles.
Then D&D went and did their thing.I could see how this is gonna play out.
But they reduced Tyrion to a bumbling idiot.Every advice given was crap.I would fire him.He is no longer Tyrion to me.He lost that edge that identified him as intelligent.
What else wrong???? 1.The Tyrells despite having one of the best swords in Loras....apparently fighting was never their thing so they lost.
2.Casterly Rock has been broke for years and not worth crap except its name.
3.Tyrion didn't know Jamie that well as a commander.Didn't seem to know that since the Greyjoy allies and the Dornish were taken out that Oleana would be the obvious target once you got that news.
4.Bran's gone creepy very fast.
To salvage this.Make it where Little finger somehow is the Night's king.I had to save this for last.This made the episode a seven.His statement to Sansa about seeing everything simultaneously etc.
Was almost along the lines of Bran.
Make it so.
"The world is full of obvious things which nobody by any chance ever observes"--Sherlock Holmes"
I might end up being in the minority on this, but I appreciate creepy Bran, including the lack of affect when hugging Sansa; after the end of last season, I wasn't especially confident that D&D were going to depict any consequences to becoming a greenseer. That the "risk" of joining with weirnet is that it makes the greenseer inhuman seems fitting.
On more general commentary, I enjoyed this episode more than Ep. 2. but it also highlighted something that I consider to be a major weakness for the show going forward: Emilia Clarke. IMO, interesting cinematography and compelling performances do a lot to compensate for the weak writing, which is why it's a problem that Emilia Clarke cannot carry her scenes; she has neither the talent nor the natural charisma.
I might end up being in the minority on this, but I appreciate creepy Bran, including the lack of affect when hugging Sansa; after the end of last season, I wasn't especially confident that D&D were going to depict any consequences to becoming a greenseer. That the "risk" of joining with weirnet is that it makes the greenseer inhuman seems fitting.
On more general commentary, I enjoyed this episode more than Ep. 2. but it also highlighted something that I consider to be a major weakness for the show going forward: Emilia Clarke. IMO, interesting cinematography and compelling performances do a lot to compensate for the weak writing, which is why it's a problem that Emilia Clarke cannot carry her scenes; she has neither the talent nor the natural charisma.
Completely agree re Bran. Imo, he's a creepy kid in the books too.
He always liked the scary stories, now he dines with ghouls.
Re Emilia, I agree she lacks charisma on the screen, but in real life, she's nothing but charisma. I don't understand why she's such a bad actress. The directors aren't trying to develop her skills, and are content with stoicism... but... I've watched some other things she's starred in, and she was pretty bad in those films too. So... mayhaps natural charm is not at all an indicator of acting ability.
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
I might end up being in the minority on this, but I appreciate creepy Bran, including the lack of affect when hugging Sansa; after the end of last season, I wasn't especially confident that D&D were going to depict any consequences to becoming a greenseer. That the "risk" of joining with weirnet is that it makes the greenseer inhuman seems fitting.
On more general commentary, I enjoyed this episode more than Ep. 2. but it also highlighted something that I consider to be a major weakness for the show going forward: Emilia Clarke. IMO, interesting cinematography and compelling performances do a lot to compensate for the weak writing, which is why it's a problem that Emilia Clarke cannot carry her scenes; she has neither the talent nor the natural charisma.
I don't mind him going creepy....It just doesn't seem there was a proper tension transition into an emotionless Bran.
Unless its a case of everybody is going to be dead;so no sense getting attached or reattached there is no reason for him to be so imo.
I expected what he seen( at least for how the show is going) to weigh on him.My point is the lack of emotion doesn't seem to jive with the experiences Bran had.If you get my meaning?
"The world is full of obvious things which nobody by any chance ever observes"--Sherlock Holmes"
True; it's all very 'meta-', sometimes to the point of cheesiness... They're also quite narcissistic in that they can't bear being criticised for anything without responding by rubbing our noses in it with the interjection of something 'cute' and self-referential into the script, somewhere down the line. For example, of all the things Bran could have reported to Sansa to 'prove his power,' they chose to have Bran taunting his sister with vivid images of the night of her rape (the one they machinated to the censure of a large vocal component of the fans), reminding Sansa and by extension the audience of the beauty of their own cinematography in that scene (I know I know, the dress, the snow, oh oh oh!).
Don't get me wrong; I like and always enjoy the show, and I'm nowhere near a rabid book purist, but ultimately D&D's adaptation falls short because they are confusing GRRM's cynicism with their own nihilism, GRRM's wit with Monty Pythonesque farce. These are not the same thing, and a crucial misreading of the author. GRRM's cynicism is born of a deep seam of romanticism, a broken heart left stranded on a darkling plain. Sometimes I wonder if D&D still have any heart left to break -- the characters are becoming so soulless and monotonic. Soon there'll be no one left to root for.
Rolling Stone interviewer: Early on, one critic described the TV series as bleak and embodying a nihilistic worldview, another bemoaned its "lack of moral signposts." Have you ever worried that there's some validity to that criticism?
GRRM: No. That particular criticism is completely invalid. Actually, I think it's moronic. My worldview is anything but nihilistic.
Note, that GRRM does not explicitly defend the show, referring instead to 'my worldview'.
To salvage this.Make it where Little finger somehow is the Night's king.I had to save this for last.This made the episode a seven.His statement to Sansa about seeing everything simultaneously etc.
Was almost along the lines of Bran.
This is a very important point. The way I see it, this is 'round three' of the epic transgenerational Brandon Stark - Petyr Baelish duel:
Round 1. Brandon Stark (of the bloody beautiful blade, our Bran's uncle) vs. Petyr Baelish in a war of swords, which Petyr loses
Round 2. Brandon Stark vs. Petyr Baelish in a war of words, which Brandon loses (although I have no proof of the necessary logistics to back me up, I strongly suspect Petyr of having seized the opportunity of maliciously meddling in the events leading to Brandon's death, perhaps by interfering with the message which prompted Brandon 'the gallant fool' to rush off to King's Landing -- we have speculated about this at length in the thread 'Teen Littlefinger's Uriah Gambit' at the 'W', which I would link if I could for those who may be interested; unfortunately, the site seems to be permanently down these days)
Round 3. Brandon Stark (our Bran) vs. Petyr Baelish in a war of minds; or rather a war for one mind -- Sansa's (as Cat 2.0, curiously mirroring the war which began it all, for the favour of Catelyn Stark in the duel at the water stair). I think Baelish will soon come to realize that his modus operandi of perverting the message is not going to put him on top with a greenseer armed with 'weirnet' access, a damning library of knowledge threatening to expose him at any moment, in contrast to which that posed by Luwin's pedantic preservation of 'every raven scroll' will pale in comparison (silly Sansa will no doubt let slip to Littlefinger how freaked out she is by the extent of what Bran revealed to her). For a psychopath of the highest order, for whom losing the game is not an option, he will not be able to tolerate this unequal arrangement in knowledge for long, without seeking to eliminate his nemesis, fittingly named 'Brandon Stark' (sorry Wraith , there's no 'grey' on this one -- although I will be sure to read your essay-in-the-making with amusement as you struggle in your eternal quest to find the untold depths of poor little Petyr's inscrutably wounded soul... ). Also, although Bran may have gone all 'transcendental' on us, denying that he will ever be 'Lord of anything' in the material world; Baelish, ever the pragmatist when it comes to preserving his own more mundane interests, however, will not see it that way. With Brandon Stark's return to Winterfell, technically being as Sansa correctly points out the legitimate heir and Lord of Winterfell, Baelish will see a direct threat to Sansa's position, and therefore his own aspirations to rule and/or influence the north; and I predict he will be compelled accordingly to remove pesky rival Brandon 2.0 from the board. Look at how precipitously he acted to eliminate Lysa when he felt cornered by her blabbing. It's the only time we saw him commit a murder with his own hands, nor will it be the last, as intimated in the trailer for the next episode in which we see his bejewelled fingers clasped around the same unsheathed dagger as the one used by Bran's would-be assassin in Series 1, bringing us full-circle. Thus, we might see a Bran assassination attempt 2.0, in a war of swords which will probably on some level be extremely satisfying for Baelish, given that when it comes to swords and not words he is usually at a disadvantage when pitted against one Stark man or another; mirroring the pivotal duel in which Brandon decimated the physically weaker Petyr, except this time the positions will be reversed, with Baelish having the upper hand physically in relation to the defenseless cripple, and Brandon having to rely on his wits and possibly the intervention of a woman to save him, just as Cat essentially saved Baelish's life by begging Brandon to spare her 'little brother'. Will someone intervene to save Bran from the dagger that missed the first time? Perhaps no one will make an appearance...
Really? I was looking forward to seeing some of these characters coming together, but their meeting fell flat for me. And in spite of her amazing ass (or because of it??) Missandei seemed kinda bitchy.
i'm waiting to reserve judgement. it is hard to really play off someone else when you're standing 50' away and one of them is on a throne being pretentious. i'm thinking the ice will thaw a little when Jon is close to one of the dragons in the next episode or two, and i think the sparks will fly then, having them fly the moment he gets to Dragonstone and is like, "Nah, won't bend the knee but i want you to come and help me take out the dead who are coming and i need to mine dragonglass from here to fight them." if that causes sparks to fly that's horrible writing...
RE: Mis - she's dreading the Worm's fate, and i think those aside from Tyrion are offended on Dany's behalf that Jon is KitN, and that was coming through.
Truth is, i might be becoming a show apologist since they are at least finishing what they started. Give me Tits and Dragons and i'm pretty happy it appears...
1. This does not feel like home 2. I don't remember it + All the titles 3. Dany identity crisis incoming?
Oh, if only. My personal opinion is that D&D are trolling book readers. It wouldn't be the first time.
I forgot to say, my absolute favourite scene from last night was Cersei/Ellaria. I thought that Lena Heady's borderline, crazy performance coupled with the genuine righteousness of Cersei's position led to an intriguing dichotomy within the scene. I've given the writers a lot of shit, so I have to hold my hands up when I see something pretty damn masterful and that was.
If only we had books that could be trolled...*cough, cough*.
What took me *out* of Bran: The sheer size of the actor by now. Fuck me, it´s like putting a full-sized cuckoo in a hummingbird´s nest, playing Edgar-suit.
True; it's all very 'meta-', sometimes to the point of cheesiness... They're also quite narcissistic in that they can't bear being criticised for anything without responding by rubbing our noses in it with the interjection of something 'cute' and self-referential into the script, somewhere down the line. For example, of all the things Bran could have reported to Sansa to 'prove his power,' they chose to have Bran taunting his sister with vivid images of the night of her rape (the one they machinated to the censure of a large vocal component of the fans), reminding Sansa and by extension the audience of the beauty of their own cinematography in that scene (I know I know, the dress, the snow, oh oh oh!).
Don't get me wrong; I like and always enjoy the show, and I'm nowhere near a rabid book purist, but ultimately D&D's adaptation falls short because they are confusing GRRM's cynicism with their own nihilism, GRRM's wit with Monty Pythonesque farce. These are not the same thing, and a crucial misreading of the author. GRRM's cynicism is born of a deep seam of romanticism, a broken heart left stranded on a darkling plain. Sometimes I wonder if D&D still have any heart left to break -- the characters are becoming so soulless and monotonic. Soon there'll be no one left to root for.
Post by silentmajority on Jul 31, 2017 22:26:52 GMT
Going back and rewatching now. Watched Dany and Jon's first interaction. I think Jon won this round. When I watched the episode last night I thought that Jon looked bewildered and out of place when he was talking with her, and today when I watched Jon's facial expressions I think it was much akin to rolling his eyes. He pretty much held the moral authority at every impasse. Dany just talked too much like she was trying to justify why she was queen.
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