Post by DarkSister1001 on Apr 17, 2019 18:45:18 GMT
And another thing, zero backstory on the Golden Company. I don't think they even mentioned that the 3-Eyed-Raven was BR or that any of the Great Bastards have come up.
The blade was Valyrian steel, spell-forged and dark as smoke. Nothing held an edge like Valyrian steel.
I decided on a rewatch of the episode instead of laundry, and I noticed that when the Karstark people ride back into Winterfell with their wagons and horses and whatever else they are carrying, Tyrion makes a comment "one of the better sigil's". I barely registered that on Sunday night, but now I am thinking that was an odd thing to say. Tyrion of House Lannister, who has a golden lion for a sigil, is commenting on "one of the better" sigil's" and it is House Karstark's Sun of Winter, white on black.
Okay, here it is! I am sure we all are aware of some variation of it, but it struck me odd that that show made some comment on it. The show is pretty upfront these days, since there is no time for nuance or effort to layer hints slowly from the writers.
Our episode ends with the artwork from the Night's King!
and here it is on fire,
which perhaps looks a bit like the Karstark sigil, the one that Tyrion, out of the fucking blue, comments on being one of the "better" sigil's. Okay, so is the Karstark sigil important to the Night's King? Does that make any sense? I suppose it could, as House Karstark comes from House Stark, and Lord Rickard made a big deal about how Stark and Karstark were kin just before Robb executed him.
Of course, it seems odd the show would use a dead Umber to show us a Karstark hint, but shit doesn't really need to make sense anymore, right?
I have seen several comments on how the burning Umber artwork looks like the Targaryen sigil, and it does, in a way. But the Targaryan sigil is not points of light, it's points of dragon head and tail and wings. The Targaryen sigil doesn't even have fire on it, just little forked tongues.
But the Karstark sigil is representative of the Sun of Winter, a white sunburst on black. It has 16 white points (and I am honestly annoyed with myself for even counting these). Another comment I seen talked about how similar the House Martell sigil is to this, but without the spear.
Yup, 16 points (yes, I counted again and annoyed myself even further)
The Martell Sigil represents a sun, the Karstark sigil represents a sun. Could either of these have anything to do with the image that the show is giving us over and over, claiming it's a CotF design? I know House Martell has been flushed down the GoT show shitter but we still have House Karstark. Tyrion commenting on their "one of the better sigil's"! And the spectacular Umber Wheel of Flaming Delight near the end of the episode makes me think they are pointing to House Karstark for some reason.
The wheel of arms around Ned Umber's body is only 8 points (but perhaps the show couldn't spare enough prop arms to build it the way they wanted?) but the design is very similar.
Any thoughts on this?
Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.
Grey Worm's sigil is different than Dany's? Missandei, I get bc of the butterflies of Naarth, but his should be Unsullied related or Danys, not a different dragon sigil. Hmmm
I agree the sigil design they picked for the Unsullied is odd. It makes more sense to have a pointy helm or a spear or a shield that looks like a breast and nipple. Almost anything makes more sense than the close up of three dragon heads!
Perhaps Grey Worm is our resident Blackfyre, waiting to claim his throne??? and
Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.
Grey Worm's sigil is different than Dany's? Missandei, I get bc of the butterflies of Naarth, but his should be Unsullied related or Danys, not a different dragon sigil. Hmmm
I agree the sigil design they picked for the Unsullied is odd. It makes more sense to have a pointy helm or a spear or a shield that looks like a breast and nipple. Almost anything makes more sense than the close up of three dragon heads!
Perhaps Grey Worm is our resident Blackfyre, waiting to claim his throne??? and It
It is a three headed ouroboros... Im thinking maybe Dany comes back as a wight because she cannot be burned, or Grey Worm/Dany gets a rebirth because of Beric's pending last kiss... totally know I'm clutching at straws here, but that is what the symbol means in its egyptian/gnostic/alchemist versions
Also, that NK pattern cannot be a targ sigil because there is like a 12000 year gap between the COTF and the Targs, however, it can totally be a Dorne sigil
It is a three headed ouroboros... Im thinking maybe Dany comes back as a wight because she cannot be burned, or Grey Worm/Dany gets a rebirth because of Beric's pending last kiss... totally know I'm clutching at straws here, but that is what the symbol means in its egyptian/gnostic/alchemist versions
Yes, which of course does remind me of the House Reed sigil. I wonder if Meera or Howland will make an appearance this season or if those will be other plot points just suddenly forgotten.
Also, that NK pattern cannot be a targ sigil because there is like a 12000 year gap between the COTF and the Targs, however, it can totally be a Dorne sigil
Except Dorne is dead in the show, although I think last we seen Elaria Sand she was still in Cersei's clutches. But the Dorne sun and the Karstark sun are the very same shape. Now, perhaps the show design team just got lazy and only have one sun option available for sigil's. And Tyrion made a mention of the Karstark sigil, which is entirely odd and seems a stupid waste of dialogue. Although, it was better than hearing more about freezing balls or lack there of!
Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.
Post by asharadaynedragonblood on Apr 17, 2019 21:23:16 GMT
Hints on Young Griff coming. 1. Euron mentions playing 'Cyvasse' (Dice in the show. I guess because show watchers do not know Cyvasse) and 'someone' cheating playing it. 2. Cercei does not get her wanted Elephants. One rule in Cyvasse is: The dragon removes all elephants on board. 3.In the new intro we clearly see 4 dragons and a shooting star.
I thought it was odd that the banner was commented on too. I would love if they added depth but I seriously doubt they have time at this point without making it feel forced. I think they missed their chance.
And another thing, zero backstory on the Golden Company. I don't think they even mentioned that the 3-Eyed-Raven was BR or that any of the Great Bastards have come up.
That is true!
The Order of the Green Hand called him Bloodravenish after s7, and I quite concur with that!
I decided on a rewatch of the episode instead of laundry, and I noticed that when the Karstark people ride back into Winterfell with their wagons and horses and whatever else they are carrying, Tyrion makes a comment "one of the better sigil's". I barely registered that on Sunday night, but now I am thinking that was an odd thing to say. Tyrion of House Lannister, who has a golden lion for a sigil, is commenting on "one of the better" sigil's" and it is House Karstark's Sun of Winter, white on black.
That is interesting! Personally I don't see what's so special of the Karstark sigil, but my mind might not think in the same direction as Tyrion's. It is an odd thing to say still...
The wheel of arms around Ned Umber's body is only 8 points (but perhaps the show couldn't spare enough prop arms to build it the way they wanted?) but the design is very similar.
The space available might not have been large enough for 16 arm-spikes. Still, they use half the number of those two sigils, so it's not totally random either.
And now you are making me think of what the connection is between those two houses...
The actual banner on the show looks like it must have more than 16 points, but I didn't count them. The sigil I used in the post above, it the official one from the GoT wiki.
The only thing that comes to mind right off the bat is House Martell is in Dorne, very south, and House Karstark is in the north. But neither is the farthest south or north of the houses. so I don't know. I wonder if every kingdom has a house sigil that represents the sun? Does the spear in the sun signify something that needs to be done. The sun was origonally a symbol from Nymeria's Rhoynish past, and the spear was the emblem of House Martell. So, its interesting the sun part of the emblem came from Essos and from a people that were fleeing their homeland. Much like the Karstark's are fleeing in this episode. But honestly, all that is a stretch, but I have to reach when it comes to the show's intent.
Also, I watched PJ's video yesterday as soon as it was released. He noticed things I didn't but one thing I could disagree with him about his the kneeling to Jon and Dany, unlike the north kneeling to Robert in S1E1. At this point, Jon has given up his crown and his people must be aware. And as to Dany, just because he pledged to her, I don't know that much of the north, or the people in the courtyard recognize her authority. So, they might not think there is anyone to kneel too!
Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.
A couple things stood out to me. First, the D that is David Benioff refers to Dickon as Sam's older brother. I don't know if it's that he just misspoke or a sign that he just really doesn't know his source material. If Sam wasn't the elder brother, there would be no reason for Randyll to have sent Sam to the wall and made him give up his claim to Horn Hill.
Also, when discussing Jon and Dany's disney dragon flight, they refer to this waterfall place as where Jon used to go hunting. That wasn't in the episode, so there was obviously dialogue that got cut. Why cut something like that? You promise longer episodes and then this one was less than an hour. Let the script that you wrote stand. The actor's worked for those scenes, and perhaps they will shed some information that is important. It makes me wonder how much else that helps make sense of things just randomly get's cut so we can see Drogon giving Jon the stink eye? Using the whole cgi budget up so there is none left for direwolves or elephants!
But the biggest thing for me that stood out as just an "uugghh" moment was how the D's commented on how only Targaryen's ride dragons and how Dany want's Jon to ride a dragon, and this is a HUGE moment for Jon Snow BUT... the actual episode reveals none of this information. Or even why the hell she thought he would be able to ride a dragon. How is this shit passing the editing room. If it's a big deal, make Varys, Tyrion, or Davos comment on it as if it's something important. Have the next scene that is shown, a talk with Sansa and Jon, discuss the dragon ride and what the fook just happened. Have Sam point it out when he is telling Jon about his parentage! Have someone comment on how only Targaryen's could ride dragons! Which might not even be true, but if that the canon that D&D are putting forth, then reveal something about it in the episode. No, nope, nadda! We just get a cheesy rip off of Jon and Ygritte (which probably is foreshadowing a rough future for Jon and Dany) and dragon stink eye! Fook! Also, I seem to remember about 12 character's riding a dragon last season, all piling on Drogon like they were loading a train! Are they all Targaryen's too? What about the Night's King?
Seriously, I had stopped watching those behind the episode's at least two season's back, because I find D&D so annoying, but honestly, David is much worse than D.B. aka "Dan". I swear David Benioff was stoned, and not on life, in that video! Maybe a drug problem could explain so much...
Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.
First, the D that is David Benioff refers to Dickon as Sam's older brother. I don't know if it's that he just misspoke or a sign that he just really doesn't know his source material. If Sam wasn't the elder brother, there would be no reason for Randyll to have sent Sam to the wall and made him give up his claim to Horn Hill.
Seriously, I had stopped watching those behind the episode's at least two season's back, because I find D&D so annoying, but honestly, David is much worse than D.B. aka "Dan".
I watch them in hopes of understanding why they did what they did.
But the biggest thing for me that stood out as just an "uugghh" moment was how the D's commented on how only Targaryen's ride dragons and how Dany want's Jon to ride a dragon, and this is a HUGE moment for Jon Snow BUT... the actual episode reveals none of this information. Or even why the hell she thought he would be able to ride a dragon. How is this shit passing the editing room. If it's a big deal, make Varys, Tyrion, or Davos comment on it as if it's something important.
One of the Ds (IDK which is which) said that Sam was telling Jon what he already knew. WTF? Jon has not had ANY indication. Zero. Zip. He has never once questioned who his father was and had no reason to think his mom was a Targ. What utter BS!
Also, I seem to remember about 12 character's riding a dragon last season, all piling on Drogon like they were loading a train! Are they all Targaryen's too? What about the Night's King?
Dany flew, they rode. She's a dragonflyer!
And the NK is controlling the magical beast with his magic magic.
The blade was Valyrian steel, spell-forged and dark as smoke. Nothing held an edge like Valyrian steel.
One of the Ds (IDK which is which) said that Sam was telling Jon what he already knew. WTF? Jon has not had ANY indication. Zero. Zip. He has never once questioned who his father was and had no reason to think his mom was a Targ. What utter BS!
Another thing about Jon and this dragon riding thing, when they talk about how only Targaryen's ride dragons, then Benioff aka Stoned D states "Jon is a little slow about getting things, but eventually he get's it" or some such shit as that. Are they implying that Dany in some way knows that Jon is a Targaryen? Because that makes no sense and how the fook could she? Or implying that Jon is stupid because he rode a dragon but doesn't understand how he could do that? He's a warg! Oh, that's right, they never went that direction in the show with Jon, and we don't even know where Ghost is at. And this is why I don't watch those behind the episode things, because I end up even more irritated than I was just watching the show!
We shouldn't need the Behind the Episode commentary to understand what happened in the episode, or even what they as producers intended. If we do need it, that means they are not doing a good job in the episode of explaining it! And obviously, they don't...
Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.