What if KotLT never existed at all? What if he was just Howland's dream of justice?
KotLT is mentioned in the world book, too.
TWOIAF said:
The first was the appearance of a mystery knight, a slight young man in ill-fitting armor whose device was a carved white weirwood tree, its features twisted in mirth. The Knight of the Laughing Tree, as this challenger was called, unhorsed three men in successive tilts, to the delight of the commons.
King Aerys II was not a man to take any joy in mysteries, however. His Grace became convinced that the tree on the mystery knight’s shield was laughing at him, and—with no more proof than that—decided that the mystery knight was Ser Jaime Lannister. His newest Kingsguard had defied him and returned to the tourney, he told every man who would listen.
Furious, he commanded his own knights to defeat the Knight of the Laughing Tree when the jousts resumed the next morning, so that he might be unmasked and his perfidy exposed for all to see. But the mystery knight vanished during the night, never to be seen again. This too the king took ill, certain that someone close to him had given warning to “this traitor who will not show his face.”
What if KotLT never existed at all? What if he was just Howland's dream of justice?
KotLT is mentioned in the world book, too.
TWOIAF said:
The first was the appearance of a mystery knight, a slight young man in ill-fitting armor whose device was a carved white weirwood tree, its features twisted in mirth. The Knight of the Laughing Tree, as this challenger was called, unhorsed three men in successive tilts, to the delight of the commons.
King Aerys II was not a man to take any joy in mysteries, however. His Grace became convinced that the tree on the mystery knight’s shield was laughing at him, and—with no more proof than that—decided that the mystery knight was Ser Jaime Lannister. His newest Kingsguard had defied him and returned to the tourney, he told every man who would listen.
Furious, he commanded his own knights to defeat the Knight of the Laughing Tree when the jousts resumed the next morning, so that he might be unmasked and his perfidy exposed for all to see. But the mystery knight vanished during the night, never to be seen again. This too the king took ill, certain that someone close to him had given warning to “this traitor who will not show his face.”
I know. Just tossing out another crackpot
The WB, after all, isn't as canonical as the main books, as Martin didn't write the entire thing himself, and several errors have been found already...
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
“Never forget what you are, for surely the world will not. Make it your strength. Then it can never be your weakness. Armour yourself in it, and it will never be used to hurt you.” ― George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones
My "for serious" pick is Howland. Lyanna's voice doesn't fit, and few men fit the stature-requirement.
Trouble is, Howland was just being bullied by a few squires... then he goes and whips three champion-knights. Methinks we're missing a piece of the puzzle.
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
My "for serious" pick is Howland. Lyanna's voice doesn't fit, and few men fit the stature-requirement.
Trouble is, Howland was just being bullied by a few squires... then he goes and whips three champion-knights. Methinks we're missing a piece of the puzzle.
He also isn't suppose to sit a horse as well as the boats,or use the weaponry outside of the neck either. I think the voice aspect for me anyway is the least problematic.
"The world is full of obvious things which nobody by any chance ever observes"--Sherlock Holmes"
Well! The crannogmen use spears and Meera was trained by her father in the way of the spear. If one can balance on a boat and use a spear to strike at fish and frogs then...
A spear and a Lance are two different things though.Yeah they are both pole weapons but different classification of pole weapons i.e size,weight etc.Additionally,the fighting style of Knights and that way would be alien to the Reed.
Nah DFlagons i'm giving props to someone familiar with that way,moreso over Reed.
"The world is full of obvious things which nobody by any chance ever observes"--Sherlock Holmes"
I'm voting for Ned. He was the second son, so not a filled-out yet (the slight part). While he is noted as being "the quiet wolf", we know from the story that he later taught Jon and Robb to have loud, carrying commanders' voices; likely he was taught the same way (the booming voice). We know Ned has a sense of honor that would be offended by the squires' actions, and that he has been trained to ride, etc. I think Ned standing up for Howland would explain their later "great" friendship. I do think, however, that Lya probably made the laughingtree heraldry as I am sure she was the only one of the possible candidates who was capable of sewing quickly!
I think Ned standing up for Howland would explain their later "great" friendship. I do think, however, that Lya probably made the laughingtree heraldry as I am sure she was the only one of the possible candidates who was capable of sewing quickly!
I like this.
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
I'm voting for Ned. He was the second son, so not a filled-out yet (the slight part). While he is noted as being "the quiet wolf", we know from the story that he later taught Jon and Robb to have loud, carrying commanders' voices; likely he was taught the same way (the booming voice). We know Ned has a sense of honor that would be offended by the squires' actions, and that he has been trained to ride, etc. I think Ned standing up for Howland would explain their later "great" friendship. I do think, however, that Lya probably made the laughingtree heraldry as I am sure she was the only one of the possible candidates who was capable of sewing quickly!
Agree on the bonding moment. And think it is like Ned to help Howland out. I waffle between Ned and Howland on this. But, given how the Reeds tell the story like a parable and/or fairytale, like it's proof of the power of the old gods--am thinking they might know it was Howland. That he got some sort of magical aid. And that's one possible reason why they're surprised Bran doesn't know--they assume such a tale of magics would have been told.
If it didn't involve magical intervention--then yeah, I think it was Ned.
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
While I'm for Howland, my thinking is along the same lines; I think the story was about how Howland and Ned became friends, not how Lyanna fell in love with Roid Rhaeg.
“Never forget what you are, for surely the world will not. Make it your strength. Then it can never be your weakness. Armour yourself in it, and it will never be used to hurt you.” ― George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones
While I'm for Howland, my thinking is along the same lines; I think the story was about how Howland and Ned became friends, not how Lyanna fell in love with Roid Rhaeg.
Are you saying Rhaegar was on performance enhancing drugs??? this is huge !!!! if he's willing to use steroids then we would def kidnap and rape lyanna " knight of the laughing tree " stark
"And the triarch Belicho defeated the great hawk from the sea despite his sails not being fully inflated"